i know its not a response to mine, but in general ... what is it that has you riled up for all these months?
On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 11:51 PM, Cavin Mugarura <[email protected]> wrote: > If you read my thread u will realise its not in response to your thread > > > > > > Sanga Collins <[email protected]> wrote: > > >Why u so mad? > > > > > > > >Sent from my iPhone > > > >On Feb 2, 2012, at 11:32 PM, Cavin Mugarura <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> Migration to Linux has to based on common sense > >> > >> I even wonder why this is an issue > >> > >> If an organization can't afford windows license fees then its better to > migrate rather than use pirated windows > >> > >> Some organizations are not resource constrained so the motivation could > be performance at the server level > >> > >> Other organizations have specialized Software that might only run on > windows or Mac (don't tell me about wine) > >> > >> Isn't this supposed to be common sense > >> > >> No one has suggested all computers in the world should run on Linux > >> > >> Of course, some people on this list would like that but that will > never happen > >> > >> Free speech is good, common sense is good too > >> > >> Sanga Collins <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > >>> Marcus you hit the nail right on the head. As much of Linux fan that I > am, it's just a tool and it's not for everything. I have managed to > convince my company and our clients to switch to Linux back end. We are > rolling out zentyal master/slave setup for 30 sites and using zimbra for > all the companies email. It took almost three years of begging. How did I > finally do it? I dressed it up as windows. Installed outlook with imap > settings funambol to sync contacts and hid the Linux environment from the > desktop users. > >>> > >>> It's still early but so far it's going well > >>> > >>> Sent from my iPad > >>> > >>> On Feb 2, 2012, at 2:59 AM, "Markus A. Wipfler" < > [email protected]> wrote: > >>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> Interesting if you join a company you can convince them to migrate > to Linux > >>>> > >>>> Why would you do that??? Imagine you are the new sys admin at xyz > company in charge of backend services running enterprise microsoft software > like Exchange, Active Directory, Sharepoint which are used by hundreds or > thousands of users. > >>>> Now since you love linux and believe that linux is like a super patch > that fixes any computer problem, you suggest to management that you want to > migrate all backend services to linux. I am not saying its impossible but > is it feasible? You can drive your car with your feet but it does't > necesarily make it a good idea. What I am saying is that just using Linux > for Linux sake is plain stupid. > >>>> > >>>> Remember a couple of years ago Germany's government tried to make a > switch to Linux (backend + frontend) which sadly failed and now they are > back to running windows. The problem in their case basically boiled down to > 3 issues: > >>>> > >>>> - hardware support (too many printers, scanners, etc.. just didn't > work when they where plugged into linux desktops / laptops and the amount > of support and time required to make them work) > >>>> - interoperability (its hard migrating away from proprietary > software, especially Ms Office / Exchange combo) > >>>> - training and user adoption (reluctancy of staff to use new, > unfamiliar software, cost / time of training staff) > >>>> > >>>> As far as I can see the best chance linux (AND Linux Admins) have > here in Uganda is in the market of SoHo and SME's. Here Linux could be used > as a cost effective and even superior alternative to propriatary software > with a relatively low learning curve for end users. (Employes still use > outlook, ms office but with linux backend, firewall, router, directory > service, intra/extra net,etc…) > >>>> > >>>> IMHO Linux will always be a niche OS. Why blindly advocate it to > everyone? It reminds me of some saved people I know, who believe everyone > else is going straight to hell if you don't join them. LOL. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Regards, > >>>> > >>>> -- > >>>> Markus > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> If you fail to do so, blame yourself > >>>>> > >>>>> In my local language there's a saying "bamusella omukatale yatongana > noruguddo" literally translated as "he was charged high prices at the > market and he is now quarrelling with the road > >>>>> > >>>>> If you are referring to job posting s advertising for Microsoft > skills that's another issue > >>>>> > >>>>> This issue is actually a side show > >>>>> What is more important is to promote Linux on a bigger scale in > government, schools, private sector and non profits > >>>>> > >>>>> Of course outfits like LUG have tried but with dismal results > >>>>> > >>>>> Sometime back I wrote how entities like LUG, IT companies can work > together and promote Linux but I guess my proposal fell on deaf ears > >>>>> > >>>>> LUG meetup s are good but most times when I look at the agenda, it s > not different from a pastor preaching to a choir > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> "Stephen S. Musoke" <[email protected]> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>>> Ronald, > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> You are wrong. Windows flourishes because it is already at the > desktop, so > >>>>>> is much easier to integrate at the Server end. Truth be told, > Windows is > >>>>>> becoming better at the backend and is also very good at integrating > with > >>>>>> Linux/Unix (MSFT/Novelle) partnership. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> You will not find a truly homogenous environment, you will find > Windows for > >>>>>> File/Print/Active Directory and *nix at the database and > application server > >>>>>> levels, and in virtualized applicatons. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Stephen > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On > Behalf Of > >>>>>> Ronald Kato Odongo > >>>>>> Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2012 9:37 AM > >>>>>> To: Uganda Linux User Group > >>>>>> Subject: Re: [LUG] Does Uganda have a demand for Linux > Administrators? > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> It would be be up to us interested in Linux administration to go > out and > >>>>>> offer it as an alternative to Windows. Windows is flourishing due > in part to > >>>>>> ignorance about Linux technologies. If we pushed Linux harder into > the > >>>>>> market, then the market would realize it's enormous advantage over > windows. > >>>>>> Sometimes the best products are ignored because not enough has been > put in > >>>>>> promoting them. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 9:27 AM, Robert Muwanga <[email protected]> > wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> On a curious note, I have seen a lot of companies that utilise > Microsoft > >>>>>> Server backend systems but unless it is the big telco boys (and > banks) I > >>>>>> haven't heard of an interest in Linux for either backend or front > end in > >>>>>> Uganda in particular. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> So, the question is, what's people's opinion with regards on the > demand for > >>>>>> Linux in Uganda? is it rising? is it shrinking or stagnant? And in > effect, > >>>>>> what is the demand for Linux administrators in the country? > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>> The Uganda Linux User Group: http://linux.or.ug > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Send messages to this mailing list by addressing e-mails to: > [email protected] > >>>>>> Mailing list archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ > >>>>>> Mailing list settings: http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/lug > >>>>>> To unsubscribe: http://kym.net/mailman/options/lug > >>>>>> > >>>>>> The Uganda LUG mailing list is generously hosted by INFOCOM: > >>>>>> http://www.infocom.co.ug/ > >>>>>> > >>>>>> The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them > (including > >>>>>> attachments if any). The mailing list host is not responsible for > them in > >>>>>> any way. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> -- > >>>>>> Thanks and Regards, > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Ronald Kato Odongo > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>> The Uganda Linux User Group: http://linux.or.ug > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Send messages to this mailing list by addressing e-mails to: > [email protected] > >>>>>> Mailing list archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ > >>>>>> Mailing list settings: http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/lug > >>>>>> To unsubscribe: http://kym.net/mailman/options/lug > >>>>>> > >>>>>> The Uganda LUG mailing list is generously hosted by INFOCOM: > http://www.infocom.co.ug/ > >>>>>> > >>>>>> The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them > (including attachments if any). The mailing list host is not responsible > for them in any way. > >>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>> The Uganda Linux User Group: http://linux.or.ug > >>>>> > >>>>> Send messages to this mailing list by addressing e-mails to: > [email protected] > >>>>> Mailing list archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ > >>>>> Mailing list settings: http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/lug > >>>>> To unsubscribe: http://kym.net/mailman/options/lug > >>>>> > >>>>> The Uganda LUG mailing list is generously hosted by INFOCOM: > http://www.infocom.co.ug/ > >>>>> > >>>>> The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them > (including attachments if any). 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