"Windows infrastructure is like a microwaveable tv dinner. Expensive but Put it in for 7 minutes and you get a decent meal void of flavor and taste but every time you do it, it turns out pretty much the same. Linux infrastructure is like cooking from scratch with cheap ingredients. Great cook and u have a great meal. Bad cook and it's a cluster-fck of useless stuff."
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of sanga collins Sent: 03 February 2012 07:53 To: Uganda Linux User Group Subject: Re: [LUG] Does Uganda have a demand for Linux Administrators? i know its not a response to mine, but in general ... what is it that has you riled up for all these months? On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 11:51 PM, Cavin Mugarura <[email protected]> wrote: If you read my thread u will realise its not in response to your thread Sanga Collins <[email protected]> wrote: >Why u so mad? > > > >Sent from my iPhone > >On Feb 2, 2012, at 11:32 PM, Cavin Mugarura <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Migration to Linux has to based on common sense >> >> I even wonder why this is an issue >> >> If an organization can't afford windows license fees then its better to migrate rather than use pirated windows >> >> Some organizations are not resource constrained so the motivation could be performance at the server level >> >> Other organizations have specialized Software that might only run on windows or Mac (don't tell me about wine) >> >> Isn't this supposed to be common sense >> >> No one has suggested all computers in the world should run on Linux >> >> Of course, some people on this list would like that but that will never happen >> >> Free speech is good, common sense is good too >> >> Sanga Collins <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Marcus you hit the nail right on the head. As much of Linux fan that I am, it's just a tool and it's not for everything. I have managed to convince my company and our clients to switch to Linux back end. We are rolling out zentyal master/slave setup for 30 sites and using zimbra for all the companies email. It took almost three years of begging. How did I finally do it? I dressed it up as windows. Installed outlook with imap settings funambol to sync contacts and hid the Linux environment from the desktop users. >>> >>> It's still early but so far it's going well >>> >>> Sent from my iPad >>> >>> On Feb 2, 2012, at 2:59 AM, "Markus A. Wipfler" <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Interesting if you join a company you can convince them to migrate to Linux >>>> >>>> Why would you do that??? Imagine you are the new sys admin at xyz company in charge of backend services running enterprise microsoft software like Exchange, Active Directory, Sharepoint which are used by hundreds or thousands of users. >>>> Now since you love linux and believe that linux is like a super patch that fixes any computer problem, you suggest to management that you want to migrate all backend services to linux. I am not saying its impossible but is it feasible? You can drive your car with your feet but it does't necesarily make it a good idea. What I am saying is that just using Linux for Linux sake is plain stupid. >>>> >>>> Remember a couple of years ago Germany's government tried to make a switch to Linux (backend + frontend) which sadly failed and now they are back to running windows. The problem in their case basically boiled down to 3 issues: >>>> >>>> - hardware support (too many printers, scanners, etc.. just didn't work when they where plugged into linux desktops / laptops and the amount of support and time required to make them work) >>>> - interoperability (its hard migrating away from proprietary software, especially Ms Office / Exchange combo) >>>> - training and user adoption (reluctancy of staff to use new, unfamiliar software, cost / time of training staff) >>>> >>>> As far as I can see the best chance linux (AND Linux Admins) have here in Uganda is in the market of SoHo and SME's. Here Linux could be used as a cost effective and even superior alternative to propriatary software with a relatively low learning curve for end users. (Employes still use outlook, ms office but with linux backend, firewall, router, directory service, intra/extra net,etc.) >>>> >>>> IMHO Linux will always be a niche OS. Why blindly advocate it to everyone? It reminds me of some saved people I know, who believe everyone else is going straight to hell if you don't join them. LOL. >>>> >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Markus >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> If you fail to do so, blame yourself >>>>> >>>>> In my local language there's a saying "bamusella omukatale yatongana noruguddo" literally translated as "he was charged high prices at the market and he is now quarrelling with the road >>>>> >>>>> If you are referring to job posting s advertising for Microsoft skills that's another issue >>>>> >>>>> This issue is actually a side show >>>>> What is more important is to promote Linux on a bigger scale in government, schools, private sector and non profits >>>>> >>>>> Of course outfits like LUG have tried but with dismal results >>>>> >>>>> Sometime back I wrote how entities like LUG, IT companies can work together and promote Linux but I guess my proposal fell on deaf ears >>>>> >>>>> LUG meetup s are good but most times when I look at the agenda, it s not different from a pastor preaching to a choir >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> "Stephen S. Musoke" <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Ronald, >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> You are wrong. Windows flourishes because it is already at the desktop, so >>>>>> is much easier to integrate at the Server end. Truth be told, Windows is >>>>>> becoming better at the backend and is also very good at integrating with >>>>>> Linux/Unix (MSFT/Novelle) partnership. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> You will not find a truly homogenous environment, you will find Windows for >>>>>> File/Print/Active Directory and *nix at the database and application server >>>>>> levels, and in virtualized applicatons. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Stephen >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of >>>>>> Ronald Kato Odongo >>>>>> Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2012 9:37 AM >>>>>> To: Uganda Linux User Group >>>>>> Subject: Re: [LUG] Does Uganda have a demand for Linux Administrators? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> It would be be up to us interested in Linux administration to go out and >>>>>> offer it as an alternative to Windows. Windows is flourishing due in part to >>>>>> ignorance about Linux technologies. If we pushed Linux harder into the >>>>>> market, then the market would realize it's enormous advantage over windows. >>>>>> Sometimes the best products are ignored because not enough has been put in >>>>>> promoting them. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 9:27 AM, Robert Muwanga <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> On a curious note, I have seen a lot of companies that utilise Microsoft >>>>>> Server backend systems but unless it is the big telco boys (and banks) I >>>>>> haven't heard of an interest in Linux for either backend or front end in >>>>>> Uganda in particular. >>>>>> >>>>>> So, the question is, what's people's opinion with regards on the demand for >>>>>> Linux in Uganda? is it rising? is it shrinking or stagnant? And in effect, >>>>>> what is the demand for Linux administrators in the country? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> The Uganda Linux User Group: http://linux.or.ug >>>>>> >>>>>> Send messages to this mailing list by addressing e-mails to: [email protected] >>>>>> Mailing list archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ >>>>>> Mailing list settings: http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/lug >>>>>> To unsubscribe: http://kym.net/mailman/options/lug >>>>>> >>>>>> The Uganda LUG mailing list is generously hosted by INFOCOM: >>>>>> http://www.infocom.co.ug/ >>>>>> >>>>>> The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them (including >>>>>> attachments if any). The mailing list host is not responsible for them in >>>>>> any way. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Thanks and Regards, >>>>>> >>>>>> Ronald Kato Odongo >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> The Uganda Linux User Group: http://linux.or.ug >>>>>> >>>>>> Send messages to this mailing list by addressing e-mails to: [email protected] >>>>>> Mailing list archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ >>>>>> Mailing list settings: http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/lug >>>>>> To unsubscribe: http://kym.net/mailman/options/lug >>>>>> >>>>>> The Uganda LUG mailing list is generously hosted by INFOCOM: http://www.infocom.co.ug/ >>>>>> >>>>>> The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them (including attachments if any). The mailing list host is not responsible for them in any way. >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> The Uganda Linux User Group: http://linux.or.ug >>>>> >>>>> Send messages to this mailing list by addressing e-mails to: [email protected] >>>>> Mailing list archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ >>>>> Mailing list settings: http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/lug >>>>> To unsubscribe: http://kym.net/mailman/options/lug >>>>> >>>>> The Uganda LUG mailing list is generously hosted by INFOCOM: http://www.infocom.co.ug/ >>>>> >>>>> The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them (including attachments if any). 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The mailing list host is not responsible for them in any way. >> _______________________________________________ >> The Uganda Linux User Group: http://linux.or.ug >> >> Send messages to this mailing list by addressing e-mails to: [email protected] >> Mailing list archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ >> Mailing list settings: http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/lug >> To unsubscribe: http://kym.net/mailman/options/lug >> >> The Uganda LUG mailing list is generously hosted by INFOCOM: http://www.infocom.co.ug/ >> >> The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them (including attachments if any). 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