Don't do zen. It's worse than windows and Linux combined. Just dumped novel, after a client threatened to cancel our contract.
Sent from my iPad On Feb 2, 2012, at 5:58 AM, Robert Muwanga <[email protected]> wrote: > One could try instead to use Novell Zenworks ;) Proprietary too but at least > its cross platform :) > Speaking of which, has anyone tried using Zenworks and can it be a good > replacement for Microsoft AD? > > On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 1:44 PM, Markus A. Wipfler <[email protected]> > wrote: > Mostly true. Windows is APITA and fugly. But seriously would you rather > administer Active Dir + Exchange or try to move your whole Org to SAMBA + > LDAP + courier/dovecot, etc…. Of course you could look at stuff like zimbra > but if you want enterprise level functionality you will still have to pay for > it. Also there is always the compatibility issue with legacy applications and > windows only hardware drivers, not to mention staff retraining. > > > I love linux and a great part of my work is spend in a terminal window but > the average user will never even want to know what a tar ball is or how to > apt-get install a bin, and why should they? > > > > Regards, > > -- > Markus > > On Feb 2, 2012, at 12:35 PM, [email protected] wrote: > >> You have to admit though, sometimes one really wants to do exactly that. :) >> >> Windows can be frustrating if one is used to something more... serviceable. >> >> Cavin Mugarura <[email protected]> wrote: >> When doing a migration you have to use your brain >> >> >> >> Not scorched earth policy, by dousing every computer with windows with >> gasoline and setting it ablaze >> >> >> T-Mobile. America’s First Nationwide 4G Network >> >> "Markus A. Wipfler" <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> >> > >> > >> > >> >> Interesting if you join a company you can convince them to migrate to >> >> Linux >> > >> >Why would you do that??? Imagine you are the new sys admin at xyz company >> >in charge of backend services running enterprise microsoft software like >> >Exchange, Active Directory, Sharepoint which are used by hundreds or >> >thousands of users. >> >> >> >Now since you love linux and believe that linux is like a super patch that >> >fixes any computer problem, you suggest to management that you want to >> >migrate all backend services to linux. I am not saying its impossible >> but is >> it feasible? You can drive your car with your feet but it does't necesarily >> make it a good idea. What I am saying is that just using Linux for Linux >> sake is plain stupid. >> > >> >Remember a couple of years ago Germany's government tried to make a switch >> >to Linux (backend + frontend) which sadly failed and now they are back to >> >running windows. The problem in their case basically boiled down to 3 >> >issues: >> >> >> > >> >- hardware support (too many printers, scanners, etc.. just didn't work >> >when they where plugged into linux desktops / laptops and the amount of >> >support and time required to make them work) >> >- interoperability (its hard migrating away from proprietary software, >> >especially Ms Office / Exchange combo) >> >> >> >- training and user adoption (reluctancy of staff to use new, unfamiliar >> >software, cost / time of training staff) >> > >> >As far as I can see the best chance linux (AND Linux Admins) have here in >> >Uganda is in the market of S >> oHo and >> SME's. Here Linux could be used as a cost effective and even superior >> alternative to propriatary software with a relatively low learning curve for >> end users. (Employes still use outlook, ms office but with linux backend, >> firewall, router, directory service, intra/extra net,etc…) >> >> >> > >> >IMHO Linux will always be a niche OS. Why blindly advocate it to everyone? >> >It reminds me of some saved people I know, who believe everyone else is >> >going straight to hell if you don't join them. LOL. >> >> > >> >> > >> >Regards, >> > >> >-- >> >Markus >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >> >> >> If you fail to do so, blame yourself >> >> >> >> In my local language there's a saying "bamusella omukatale yatongana >> >> noruguddo" literally translated as "he was charged high prices at the >> >> market and he is now quarrelling with the road >> >> >> >> >> >> If you are referring to job posting s advertising fo >> r >> Microsoft skills that's another issue >> >> >> >> This issue is actually a side show >> >> What is more important is to promote Linux on a bigger scale in >> >> government, schools, private sector and non profits >> >> >> >> >> >> Of course outfits like LUG have tried but with dismal results >> >> >> >> Sometime back I wrote how entities like LUG, IT companies can work >> >> together and promote Linux but I guess my proposal fell on deaf ears >> >> >> >> >> >> LUG meetup s are good but most times when I look at the agenda, it s not >> >> different from a pastor preaching to a choir >> >> >> >> >> >> "Stephen S. Musoke" <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >>> Ronald, >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> You are wrong. Windows flourishes because it is already at the desktop, >> >>> so >> >>> is much easier to integrate at the Server end. >> Truth >> be told, Windows is >> >>> becoming better at the backend and is also very good at integrating with >> >>> Linux/Unix (MSFT/Novelle) partnership. >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> You will not find a truly homogenous environment, you will find Windows >> >>> for >> >> >> >>> File/Print/Active Directory and *nix at the database and application >> >>> server >> >>> levels, and in virtualized applicatons. >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> Stephen >> >> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf >> >>> Of >> >> >> >>> Ronald Kato Odongo >> >>> Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2012 9:37 AM >> >>> To: Uganda Linux User Group >> >>> Subject: Re: [LUG] Does Uganda have a demand for Linux Administrators? >> >> >> >>> >> >>> >> >> >> > >> >> >>> It would be be up to us interested in Linux administration to go out and >> >>> offer it as an alternative to Windows. Windows is flourishing due in >> >>> part to >> >>> ignorance about Linux technologies. If we pushed Linux harder into the >> >> >> >>> market, then the market would realize it's enormous advantage over >> >>> windows. >> >>> Sometimes the best products are ignored because not enough has been put >> >>> in >> >>> promoting them. >> >>> >> >> >> >>> On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 9:27 AM, Robert Muwanga <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> >> >>> On a curious note, I have seen a lot of companies that utilise Microsoft >> >> >> >>> Server backend systems but unless it is the big telco boys (and banks) I >> >>> haven't heard of an interest in Linux for either backend or front end in >> >>> Uganda in particular. >> >> >>> >> >> >>> So, the >> question is, what's people's opinion with regards on the demand for >> >>> Linux in Uganda? is it rising? is it shrinking or stagnant? And in >> >>> effect, >> >>> what is the demand for Linux administrators in the country? >> >> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >> >>> The Uganda Linux User Group: http://linux.or.ug >> >>> >> >>> Send messages to this mailing list by addressing e-mails to: >> >>> [email protected] >> >> >> >>> Mailing list archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ >> >>> Mailing list settings: http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/lug >> >> >> >>> To unsubscribe: http://kym.net/mailman/options/lug >> >>> >> >>> The Uganda LUG mailing list is generously hosted b >> y >> INFOCOM: >> >>> http://www.infocom.co.ug/ >> >>> >> >>> The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them (including >> >>> attachments if any). The mailing list host is not responsible for them in >> >> >> >>> any way. >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> -- >> >>> Thanks and Regards, >> >>> >> >>> Ronald Kato Odongo >> >>> >> >>> >> >> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >> >>> The Uganda Linux User Group: http://linux.or.ug >> >>> >> >>> Send messages to this mailing list by addressing e-mails to: >> >>> [email protected] >> >> >> >>> Mailing list archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ >> >>> Mailing list settings: http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/lug >> >> >> >>> To unsubscribe: http://kym.net/mailman/options/lug >> >>> >> >>> The Uganda LUG mailing list is generously hosted by INFOCOM: >> >>> http://www.infocom.co.ug/ >> >> >> >>> >> >>> The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them (including >> >>> attachments if any). 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