I agree this is a possibility; as you know, I think the weight of evidence is otherwise. But are you seriously suggesting that this was made or converted to its present state in the period when the Gallichon/Colachon was played in the 18thC? rgds Martyn Roman Turovsky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > In my opinion WHich is a bit "leaky" as we say in the old country.
> how it could be used is more important than what you call it. > Depending on how you tune a six-course instrument, it could function as > a guitar, requinto (actually a "requinto" lute in this case), renaissance > lute, > a laud, or a mandolino lombardo ottavo. FYI, Hoffmann was a very important figure in the history of lute, and there is no reason to inflict on him any abuse by linguistic daftness. This was a gallichone (100% certainty, look at the neck and pegbox), which suffered bridge displacement which is sadly not atypical. Both Budapest Jauch and Brunner baroque lutes suffered this at some point during the 19th century. RT -- http://polyhymnion.org/torban > > -----Original Message----- > From: Martyn Hodgson > Sent: Mar 16, 2005 1:05 AM > To: Mathias R? > Cc: Lute Net > Subject: Re: Hoffmann Mandora/Gallichon > > > Thank you for your comments Mathias, but: > > - are you not aware that guitars were made in lute shape in the 19thC (and in > other shapes as well for that matter - eg lyre guitar). > > - defining a guitar as a 'shallow bodied' instrument is surely asking for > trouble - probably better to relate to musical practice - ie lute-guitars and > similar played music written for ordinary guitars. Even well into the last > century it was possible to buy sheet music asking for 'laute' or 'gitarre'. I > have before me an original edition (c 1930) of 'Leonardo de Call/Notturno > Op89/fur Flote(Geige), Bratsche and Gitarre(Laute)' published by Chr > Friedrich Vieweg > /BerlinLichterfelds. Interestingly, the cover has two figures playing Lauten > (not Gitarren). > > I therefore stick to my opinion that this is probably a guitar conversion. You > may, of course, hold an entirely different view but perhaps it would be > useful to support it with evidence rather than unsubstantiated comment. > > regards, > > Martyn > > "Mathias R?" wrote: >>> My view is that it is most likely a guitar > > guitars have shallow bodies, by definition, or so I'm told. Whatsoever > this is, it is not a guitar. > >>> (or rather late 19thC german lute/guitar) conversion direct from a > lute. > > wandervogel lutes (if that is what you meant to say) have single > strings, not courses (i.e. double strings) > >>> There are numerous examples of 18thC Colachons/mandoras (see Gill et > als) > > indeed. Why so much guesswork if the probable is so obvious. > >> I would have thought so, if not for the pegbox, which is rather elegant, and >> entirely uncharacteristic of the Wandervogels. > > yes, indeed. > > -- > Regards, > > Mathias > > -- > > To get on or off this list see list information at > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > > Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com > -- > > Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com --
