Looking at this piece in the Siena manuscript, the rhythm for the
   opening statement is not the same as in the answering statements.  So
   there's certainly room for doubt.

   I think the opening statement may have been 'corrected' in the Ness
   edition (I don't have it here to check).  However, since several
   different rhythms are used for this motif, changing one of them doesn't
   make the counterpoint any more uniform.  Let it stand, and enjoy the
   diversity!

   P
   On 24 November 2010 10:33, Jean-Marie Poirier
   <[1]jmpoiri...@wanadoo.fr> wrote:

     Same argument ! Listen to the counterpoint...
     Best,
     JM
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     == En reponse au message du 24-11-2010, 11:27:59 ==

   >
   >
   >
   >correction: Sorry, I meant the values of the second and third note of
   the
   >first motif respectively the first bar in general...
   >
   >
   >
   >----- Original Message -----
   >From: "Susanne Herre" <[2]mandolinens...@web.de>
   >To: "Lute List" <[3]l...@cs.dartmouth.edu>
   >Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 2010 10:49 AM
   >Subject: [LUTE] Francesco da Milano - Ness 33
   >
   >

   >>   Dear lute lovers,
   >>
   >>
   >>
   >>   What are your opinions about the beginning of Francesco da Milano
   -
   >>   Fantasia Ness 33 regarding the note value of the first note of the
   >>   first motif?
   >>
   >>
   >>
   >>   My thoughts at the moment are that maybe it happened like this:
   >>   Francesco wrote the piece without bar lines. When they tried to
   print
   >>   it with bar lines it was not possible or not common to print only
   an
   >>   upbeat / a bar of half length. So they changed the rhythm to a
   very
   >>   common pattern so the motif could now fit into one bar.
   >>
   >>
   >>
   >>   Could that be possible? Maybe that happened with other pieces as
   well?
   >>
   >>
   >>
   >>   Or maybe Francesco "had to" compose it like this because no piece
   like
   >>   a fantasia or ricercar would start with an upbeat?
   >>
   >>
   >>
   >>   Best wishes,
   >>
   >>
   >>
   >>   Susanne
   >>
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