Somehow I only manage to get actively involved on the lute-list when controversy arises. Not very nice form my part :(
On Dec 5, 2010, at 2:44 PM, Gary Digman wrote: > Heaven forbid, a lutenist should make a living wage playing his/her lute. And > playing it well, I might add. > > Gary > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alfonso Marin" <luten...@gmail.com> > To: "lutelist Net" <lute@cs.dartmouth.edu> > Sent: Sunday, December 05, 2010 5:15 AM > Subject: [LUTE] Re: Karamazov > > >> He indeed cashed in with Sting! ;) >> A. >> >> On Dec 5, 2010, at 1:53 PM, G. Crona wrote: >> >>> I'm not fond of theatrics myself, but take a look at almost ANY concert >>> pianist. It seems almost to be expected there. Can you really blame a poor >>> lutenist for wanting to cash in on the hype? >>> >>> G. >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alfonso Marin" <luten...@gmail.com> >>> To: "lutelist Net" <lute@cs.dartmouth.edu> >>> Sent: Sunday, December 05, 2010 1:45 PM >>> Subject: [LUTE] Re: Karamazov >>> >>> >>>> I have the feeling that he uses music to create an image that feeds with >>>> obviously huge ego. I do not buy it, not musically nor "lutenistically" >>>> and most of all artistically. >>>> >>>> On Dec 5, 2010, at 12:50 PM, Roman Turovsky wrote: >>>> >>>>> I find Edin's style totally dignified, >>>>> in partucular when compared with, say, Mark Wheeler's. >>>>> RT >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alexandros Tzimeros" >>>>> <sarab...@otenet.gr> >>>>> To: "Edward Mast" <nedma...@aol.com>; <e...@gamutstrings.com>; "Roman >>>>> Turovsky" <r.turov...@verizon.net>; "Anthony Hind" <agno3ph...@yahoo.com> >>>>> Cc: <lute@cs.dartmouth.edu> >>>>> Sent: Sunday, December 05, 2010 6:40 AM >>>>> Subject: [LUTE] Re: Karamazov >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> It's a pitty. >>>>>> Such a good player and he insists on all these funny theatrical >>>>>> expressions and kitchy video clips. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anthony Hind" <agno3ph...@yahoo.com> >>>>>> To: "Edward Mast" <nedma...@aol.com>; <e...@gamutstrings.com>; "Roman >>>>>> Turovsky" <r.turov...@verizon.net> >>>>>> Cc: <lute@cs.dartmouth.edu> >>>>>> Sent: Sunday, December 05, 2010 11:32 AM >>>>>> Subject: [LUTE] Re: Karamazov >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> Great musicians often have an amazing presence on stage, but this can >>>>>>> be with minimal gesture. Their very presence takes complete control of >>>>>>> the theatrical space. >>>>>>> $ >>>>>>> However, it could be argued that there are differences in the way >>>>>>> certain cultures approach this question. I recently saw the Kronos >>>>>>> quartet in combination with the Ensemble Alim Qasimov from Azerbajan. >>>>>>> They were dialoguing musically together, and although the Kronos are >>>>>>> into such fusion, nevertheless the emotional expressivity of the >>>>>>> Azerbajanis made them look a little stilted. >>>>>>> The words of Alim Qasimov are clear on that subject: "The words of >>>>>>> these songs are very simple. We give them feelings, we try to infuse >>>>>>> them with excitement and tension." >>>>>>> Nevertheless, the emotions on the face of Alim look in no way "put-on", >>>>>>> They are a necessary part of his performance, which does not "feel" to >>>>>>> be the case with Edin & Amira (although, I am quite willing to accept >>>>>>> that they mzy well have roots in such a tradition). >>>>>>> $ >>>>>>> This recording shows the first contacts between Kronos and the >>>>>>> Azerbaidjanis: >>>>>>> [1]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MHMpmB4olbA&feature=related >>>>>>> One very interesting piece was evoking the neighing of a young horse on >>>>>>> instrument and voice. >>>>>>> However, in spite of the quality of the performance, the Azerbaijani >>>>>>> players in no way compromised themselves in catering for Western >>>>>>> tastes. The result is that about a quarter of the French audience >>>>>>> walked out noisily during their performance in Paris, showing in my >>>>>>> opinion, their complete musical ignorance. I am willing to bet that no >>>>>>> such walk out would occur with Edin and Amira, but they do seem to be >>>>>>> doing their best to "cater"... >>>>>>> $ >>>>>>> On the other hand, I watched an amazing film of Ravi Shankar dialoguing >>>>>>> musically with his daughter, extremely moving, but in spite of his >>>>>>> almost mystical involvement in his music, there were no unnecessary >>>>>>> emotional affects. >>>>>>> [2]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eG2moqxqIaE&feature=related >>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>> Anthony >>>>>>> ---- Message d'origine ---- >>>>>>> >De : "Edward Mast" <nedma...@aol.com> >>>>>>> >A : "wikla" <wi...@cs.helsinki.fi> >>>>>>> >Objet : [LUTE] Re: Karamazov >>>>>>> >Date : 05/12/2010 02:04:33 CET >>>>>>> >Copie `a : "Roman Turovsky" <r.turov...@verizon.net>; >>>>>>> > "Lutelist" <lute@cs.dartmouth.edu> >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> >"Just my problem. . .". No, a problem for at least me too. The >>>>>>> question of >>>>>>> > how much musical performance is theatre, is always to be > considered. >>>>>>> I >>>>>>> > prefer less theatre. >>>>>>> > Ned >>>>>>> > On Dec 4, 2010, at 5:16 PM, wikla wrote: >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > > On Thu, 02 Dec 2010 11:23:56 -0500, "Roman Turovsky" >>>>>>> > > <r.turov...@verizon.net> wrote: >>>>>>> > >> [3]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nmLoX2TTAig >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > His strong movements, his gestures while playing, are quite >>>>>>> disturbing to >>>>>>> > > me. Just my problem, I guess and also admit. It would be easier > > >>>>>>> > > to >>>>>>> me to >>>>>>> > > listen to his very musical playing without the video showing his >>>>>>> > suffering >>>>>>> > > face. I do know that certain amount of theatre of showing that > > >>>>>>> > > you >>>>>>> feel >>>>>>> > > deeply is necessary - it is an important part of the show. But to >>>>>>> me - my >>>>>>> > > problem as I wrote - in this performance the amount of "deep >>>>>>> feeling >>>>>>> > > gestures" harmed severely getting the message. >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > Arto >>> >>> >>> >>> To get on or off this list see list information at >>> http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html >> >> >> > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.872 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3298 - Release Date: 12/04/10 > 23:34:00 > >
