I think the most important idea that Chris has brought up here is that we need to consider the other sounds that musicians would have had in their heads from the other instruments and music that was part of their world. Nancy
My dissatisfaction with gut rests primarily on fact that I find it very difficult to replicate the style of phrasing that I hear from baroque wind instruments, bowed string players (with baroque bows) and, above all, vocalists. Period treatises for these musicians place a great emphasis on dynamic shading, such as the messa di voce and this is very difficult to emulate on a lute strung in modern gut. (It is difficult on synthetics, but, due the greater sustain, less so.) On the renaissance lute, things are not as crucial since the often profuse ornamentation has a sort of "flattening" effect. On the baroque lute, however, I have great difficulties reconciling the sonic characteristics of modern gut with important stylistic traits of the music. In the baroque lute literature, this is especially important as the structure of the music is often made up of fairly large gestures (for example, an arpeggiated figure on a single harmony over several bars) which must be grouped accordingly. With the faster decay time of modern gut on a plucked instrument, the implication would be to just play faster, but I've found this unconvincing often enough to make me suspicious of the material's sonic properties as a valid indicator for performance. At least, I don't hear the above mentioned non-lute instruments playing similar items in the manner that a lute strung in modern gut seems to demand. Another context is the long appoggiatura. This is the expressive backbone of baroque music and the lute literature is no exception. With modern gut these often seem rather inexpressive to me and that is a real problem. The other instruments/voices go to extra effort to emphasize the drama of the moment by doing a crescendo/messa di voce on the dissonant note and relaxing on the resolution. On a gut-strung lute, however, the notes of the underlying harmony will often have died away before the consonant note is even sounded. To me, this robs the whole complex of its expressive purpose. I suppose one could argue that this is part of the special charm on the lute: a listener, who is familiar with the vocabulary of baroque style, will recognize when the performer has set up an appoggiatura and, taking care to remember the harmonically contextualizing notes even though they're gone, will "fill in the blanks" in the mind's ear to achieve a sort of mental pleasure from the simulacrum of expressivity in contrast to the sensuous pleasure gained from the real thing. At least, that's what I find myself doing. Personally, I don't want to make my listeners work that hard. And again, based on what I hear other non-lute HIP musicians doing, I don't buy it as a historical probability. Anyways, that's my 415 cents. Chris Christopher Wilke Lutenist, Guitarist and Composer [1]www.christopherwilke.com --- On Tue, 8/30/11, David van Ooijen <davidvanooi...@gmail.com> wrote: > From: David van Ooijen <davidvanooi...@gmail.com> > Subject: [LUTE] Re: long strings? > To: "andy butler" <akbut...@tiscali.co.uk> > Cc: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu > Date: Tuesday, August 30, 2011, 4:38 AM > On 30 August 2011 10:27, andy butler > <akbut...@tiscali.co.uk> > wrote: > > > Beginner's questions. > > > > Is the superiority of gut down to the shorter sustain > time > > that someone mentioned earlier? > > > > Is string damping really unpopular? (unnecessary?) > > No such thing as a beginner's question. > > Superiority is not a word I would use for gut, as gut > strings are > imprefect in many ways. Another level, their imperfectiong > makes me > like the sound better, they're more insteresting than bland > and boring > synthetics (and there's the whole argument of why bother to > play an > 'early' instrument when using 'modern' strings to produce > the sound, > but I'll happily leave that to another discussion). > > Shorter sustain in extended basses is a happy side effect > of gut, > making damping of said basses unneccecary. I feel we can > get an idea > of the expected sustain from the music, and to my feeling a > shorter > sustain than metal-wound basses is called for in especially > Baroque > lute music. A 'gut' feeling, if you like. ;-) > > David > > > > > > -- > ******************************* > David van Ooijen > davidvanooi...@gmail.com > [2]www.davidvanooijen.nl > ******************************* > > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > [3]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > Nancy Carlin Associates P.O. Box 6499 Concord, CA 94524 USA phone 925/686-5800 fax 925/680-2582 web sites - [4]www.nancycarlinassociates.com [5]www.groundsanddivisions.info Representing: FROM WALES - Crasdant & Carreg Lafar, FROM ENGLAND - Jez Lowe & Jez Lowe & The Bad Pennies, and now representing EARLY MUSIC - The Venere Lute Quartet, The Good Pennyworths & Morrongiello & Young Administrator THE LUTE SOCIETY OF AMERICA web site - [6]http://LuteSocietyofAmerica.org -- References 1. http://www.christopherwilke.com/ 2. http://www.davidvanooijen.nl/ 3. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 4. http://www.nancycarlinassociates.com/ 5. http://www.groundsanddivisions.info/ 6. http://lutesocietyofamerica.org/