I wonder how many of today's lutenists are using double gut frets? It
would seem that until the time of Thomas Mace (who I think was the
first to mention the use of single frets), and maybe for some time
after that double frets were the norm. Players who have used them will
probably tell you that they do affect the quality of sound produced.
So - In our search for an authentic playing experience and sound,
shouldn't the use of double frets be high on our priority list? In
case you are unfamiliar with the double fret knot, it is described at
David van Edwards's website -
[1]http://www.vanedwards.co.uk/fretknot.htm
Bill
From: sterling price <spiffys84...@yahoo.com>
To: Garry Warber <garrywar...@hughes.net>; "lute@cs.dartmouth.edu"
<lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>
Sent: Wednesday, 31 August 2011, 7:30
Subject: [LUTE] Re: long strings?
As any good luthier will tell you today, hide glue is still superior
to
modern glue for several reasons.
--Sterling
Subject: [LUTE] Re: long strings?
Or, As I enjoy assuming, the "old ones" used the best they had, and
if
they'd had epoxy glue and nylon strings that's what they'd have
used... :-)
Things can get endlessly circular in these beliefs. I just like how
well
the early music is written! The stuff plays itself without a lot of
"interpretive gimmicks." I'm all for re-creating their sound as
close
as we
can, for others. For myself, a totally modern lute is just ducky...
:-)
Garry
-----Original Message-----
From: Roman Turovsky
Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2011 7:27 AM
To: Martyn Hodgson ; [1][2]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu ; andy butler
Subject: [LUTE] Re: long strings?
There is a great likelihood that "our" gut is rather acoustically
different
from "their".
Lets not forget to use the honest modifier "approximation of".
RT
----- Original Message -----
From: "Martyn Hodgson" <[2][3]hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk>
To: <[3][4]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>; "andy butler"
<[4][5]akbut...@tiscali.co.uk>
Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2011 7:01 AM
Subject: [LUTE] Re: long strings?
>
> The superiority of gut is chiefly that it was the material used by
the
> Old Ones. If we have any pretensions to attempting to reproduce
the
> sounds these early lutenist composers expected and their auditors
> heard, it is necessary to employ the same string materials.
>
> MH
> --- On Tue, 30/8/11, andy butler <[5][6]akbut...@tiscali.co.uk>
wrote:
>
> From: andy butler <[6][7]akbut...@tiscali.co.uk>
> Subject: [LUTE] Re: long strings?
> To: [7][8]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
> Date: Tuesday, 30 August, 2011, 9:27
>
> David van Ooijen wrote:
> > The basses are shortish, so a higher tuning would be better,
> actually.
> > If the instrument is tuned to g', gut diapassons are possible
(if
> cost
> > is an issue use fret gut, it really is so much better than any
of
the
> > modern materials), otherwise carbon or metal-wounds seem to be
the
> > best option.
> Beginner's questions.
> Is the superiority of gut down to the shorter sustain time
> that someone mentioned earlier?
> Is string damping really unpopular? (unnecessary?)
> andy
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