This is hilarious - we "know" that vihuelas had unison basses, therefore
if they had double trebles, there is a connection between double trebles
and unison basses, even on lutes.
Just how many false assumptions are in there? I've lost count, but
vihuelas may or may not have had unison basses and/or double trebles (in
both cases I think there is no evidence either way).
It's certainly true that lutes sometimes had double trebles, and
sometimes (perhaps mostly) had octaved basses. It seems unlikely that
vihuelas of the same period had no octaved basses, in spite of wishful
thinking by some people in the 20th C. It may be true that vihuelas
sometimes (or usually) had double trebles, we simply don't know.
Martin
On 20/11/2011 17:05, Daniel Winheld wrote:
" I seem to remember that lutes with a double chanterelle were usually strung in
unisons."
Mimmo Peruffo disputes that assumption: from his website page "The lute in its
historical reality"-
9. Double treble and unison courses: the fact that the vihuela was generally
(but not always) strung with a double treble led some scholars to take that as
evidence in favour of all courses having been strung with unisons. We fail to
grasp the logic of it. There is, on the other hand, evidence proving that the
vihuela could have a single treble, whereas most Renaissance lutes where strung
with double trebles.
http://www.mimmoperuffo.org/9e.htm
On Nov 19, 2011, at 11:42 PM, William Samson wrote:
Again - I've forgotten the source (probably Eph Segerman), but I seem
to remember that lutes with a double chanterelle were usually strung in
unisons. I do know that Eph had a 7c lute made like this and strung
with catlines (his own manufacture - Northern Renaissance Instruments)
in the basses. It certainly worked very well, but sounded 'darker'
than a lute with octave stringing in the basses.
Bill
From: wikla<wi...@cs.helsinki.fi>
To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Sent: Saturday, 19 November 2011, 20:51
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Double 1st string on 6 course lutes?
Thanks to all for the most interesting answers!
I actually just ordered a 6 courser, model Venere (the original, the
model,
was a 7 courser, I suppose?) from Lauri Niskanen, the guy who made my
new
11 courser. And I ordered an option to double chanterelle - just one
extra
peg, just 3 grooves and 3 holes up and down.
Any more constructive ideas what to hope and ask?
best,
Arto
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