What I find interesting in all this (Satoh’s exercise) is why De Visée needs to be foreign. Is this to align him with Lully (the Italian)? In the light of the long tradition of lute playing in France, making De Visée foreign does not seem to elevate his status. In fact, historical writers in some circles belittled non-Parisian musicians.
Or could this simply be the modern view of foreign is better? Shaun On 2 Mar 2014, at 10:05 pm, Greet Schamp <greet.sch...@gmail.com> wrote: > Dear all, > > I wonder if his name has something to do with the city of Visé, north east of > Liège in Belgium? > The dutch name is WEZET but in the Walloon language it is called Vizé. > According to wikipedia in french, it has a long history > > It would add another lute/baroque guitar composer to our country ;>)) > > All the best > Greet > > > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] Namens > Monica Hall > Verzonden: zaterdag 1 maart 2014 12:39 > Aan: Martyn Hodgson > CC: Lutelist > Onderwerp: [LUTE] De Visee > > Thank you very much for that Martyn. > > I don't know how many people have actually read these liner notes. Three > whole pages are taken up with this "biography" - it is not until you turn to > p.4 that you discover - Oh by the way - none of this is true. Some of the > information is factually accurate. Some of it is not - which I think is > inexcusable - Satoh is apparently unaware that Louis XIV died in 1715 and > that when De Visee was appointed guitar teacher to the King it was to the 9 > year old Louis XV. Some of it is obviously bollocks. > > When I first read these I queried on this list whether there was any evidence > that De Visee was born in Portugal - not after all impossible - but did not > get a satisfactory answer. I did my best to trace the source of this > information - which had found its way into Wikipedia - perhaps that is where > Satoh got the idea from. It seems that somebody some time ago suggested that > De Visee's name implied that his family (rather than he > himself) was Portuguese in origin. And so it goes. Endless pointless > speculation masquerading as musicology, > > I can understand why David and and others who know Satoh personally and > admire his playing might want to try and defend him. But I think that it > needs to be said that people in his position - after all he taught at one of > the most prestigious music colleges in the world until recently - shouldn't > indulge in idle fantasy which may mislead the unwary. At the end of the day > he has said nothing about the music or the manuscript from which it is taken > which would have been much more interesting. > > As ever > Monica > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Martyn Hodgson" <hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk> > To: "Lute Dmth" <lute@cs.dartmouth.edu> > Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2014 8:24 AM > Subject: [LUTE] Re: Bartolotti's continuo treatise > > >> >> >> Perhaps you missed what Monica Hall wrote after quoting Satoh: “This is >> all my imagination and conjecture"? She added Satoh's more misleading >> comment "....based on the few documents concerning De Visee's life" >> >> >> In short, Satoh misleads by suggesting that his spurious conjectures, >> especially on birth place, are somehow based on historical sources. >> >> MH >> >> ________________________________ >>>> From: howard posner <howardpos...@ca.rr.com> >>>> To: Lutelist <lute@cs.dartmouth.edu> >>>> Sent: Friday, 28 February 2014, 23:32 >>>> Subject: [LUTE] Re: Bartolotti's continuo treatise >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Feb 28, 2014, at 2:17 PM, Monica Hall <mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk> >>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I think you are being disingenious. What Satoh actually says is >>>>> "This is all my imagination and conjecture, based on the few >>> documents concerning De Visee's life". >>>>> >>>>> How is the reader supposed to know what is based on these few >>>>> documents >>> and what is idle fantasy? >>>> >>>> >>>> I think “This is all my imagination and conjecture” pretty much gives it >>> away. >>>> -- >>>> >>>> To get on or off this list see list information at >>>> http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >> >> > > > >
