The trail is getting hotter....
Enjoy your day of rest
Monica
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From: "Jean-Marie Poirier" <jmpoiri...@wanadoo.fr>
To: "Greet Schamp" <greet.sch...@gmail.com>; "Monica Hall"
<mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk>; "Martyn Hodgson" <hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk>
Cc: "'Lute List'" <lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>
Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2014 2:06 PM
Subject: Re: [LUTE] Re: De Visee
Maybe Visée first met Louis XIV who stayed in Vizé for a couple of days in
the then famous "Maison Houbart" in 1672 and 1675, during the Franco-Dutch
War... He was with the musketeer d'Artagnan who got killed in 1673 during
the siege of Maastricht.
Real facts but the rest is pure conjecture and my imagination, of
course... ;-) !
Have a nice sunday,
Jean-Marie
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Dear all,
I wonder if his name has something to do with the city of Visé, north east
of Liège in Belgium?
The dutch name is WEZET but in the Walloon language it is called Vizé.
According to wikipedia in french, it has a long history
It would add another lute/baroque guitar composer to our country ;>))
All the best
Greet
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Van: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] Namens
Monica Hall
Verzonden: zaterdag 1 maart 2014 12:39
Aan: Martyn Hodgson
CC: Lutelist
Onderwerp: [LUTE] De Visee
Thank you very much for that Martyn.
I don't know how many people have actually read these liner notes.
Three
whole pages are taken up with this "biography" - it is not until you turn
to
p.4 that you discover - Oh by the way - none of this is true. Some of the
information is factually accurate. Some of it is not - which I think is
inexcusable - Satoh is apparently unaware that Louis XIV died in 1715 and
that when De Visee was appointed guitar teacher to the King it was to the
9 year old Louis XV. Some of it is obviously bollocks.
When I first read these I queried on this list whether there was any
evidence that De Visee was born in Portugal - not after all impossible -
but did not get a satisfactory answer. I did my best to trace the source
of this information - which had found its way into Wikipedia - perhaps
that is where Satoh got the idea from. It seems that somebody some time
ago suggested that De Visee's name implied that his family (rather than he
himself) was Portuguese in origin. And so it goes. Endless pointless
speculation masquerading as musicology,
I can understand why David and and others who know Satoh personally and
admire his playing might want to try and defend him. But I think that it
needs to be said that people in his position - after all he taught at one
of the most prestigious music colleges in the world until recently -
shouldn't indulge in idle fantasy which may mislead the unwary. At the
end of the day he has said nothing about the music or the manuscript from
which it is taken which would have been much more interesting.
As ever
Monica
----- Original Message -----
From: "Martyn Hodgson" <hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk>
To: "Lute Dmth" <lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>
Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2014 8:24 AM
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Bartolotti's continuo treatise
Perhaps you missed what Monica Hall wrote after quoting Satoh: “This is
all my imagination and conjecture"? She added Satoh's more misleading
comment "....based on the few documents concerning De Visee's life"
In short, Satoh misleads by suggesting that his spurious conjectures,
especially on birth place, are somehow based on historical sources.
MH
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From: howard posner <howardpos...@ca.rr.com>
To: Lutelist <lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>
Sent: Friday, 28 February 2014, 23:32
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Bartolotti's continuo treatise
On Feb 28, 2014, at 2:17 PM, Monica Hall <mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk>
wrote:
I think you are being disingenious. What Satoh actually says is
"This is all my imagination and conjecture, based on the few
documents concerning De Visee's life".
How is the reader supposed to know what is based on these few
documents
and what is idle fantasy?
I think “This is all my imagination and conjecture” pretty much gives
it
away.
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