Where the **** did that come from? I haven't made a single generalization about how others should or should not live, all that's come from you. Or perhaps you don't consider accusing others of stealing passing judgment?
FWIW, I find my life to be quite wonderful, and yes, at times "unique and magical". I just don't happen to believe that being comfortable streaming online content makes me a moral degenerate. Donna On Jan 21, 2013, at 8:49 AM, Karen Lewellen <klewel...@shellworld.net> wrote: > > Donna, > Why are you so invested in reducing every persons experience of sight loss to > your own? > I think you discover every day, if you so choose that is, that how one lives > with a situation is as unique and magical as they desire. > I personally have climbed no mountains, played golf tennis, or gone skiing > lately...but I am not about to decide those who do this, and experience sight > loss, are less independent because they do. > Perhaps you should examine for yourself what it is about other people doing > things differently that bothers you so much? > > Karen > > On Mon, 21 Jan 2013, Donna Goodin wrote: > >> Karen, >> >> Why are you so invested in insulting the rest of the world? I think that >> you've made your point quite clearly. The fact that some of us may not >> agree with you does not mean that we are all self-pitying, unscrupulous, >> thieves. >> Donna >> On Jan 21, 2013, at 8:22 AM, Karen Lewellen <klewel...@shellworld.net> wrote: >> >>> But it can. even more independently than the reprehensible excuse for >>> stealing that is blindi-TV. >>> Depending of course on how the individual in question experiences their >>> blindness and writes their dictionary of independence. >>> Surely you do not think all individuals with a sight loss diagnoses are >>> exactly the same? the definition alone makes that perspective impossible, >>> limited, and counter productive. >>> As a post I shared ages back expressed, all humans are dependent on each >>> other in one fashion or another. This is more beneficial to understand >>> than creating false concepts of any experience that translate into >>> exclusion. especially based on someone Else's definition of independence. >>> >>> us who? lol! >>> >>> >>> On Mon, 21 Jan 2013, Donna Goodin wrote: >>> >>>> But, if that content cannot be independently accessed by a blind >>>> individual, then it's value to us decreases significantly. >>>> Donna >>>> On Jan 20, 2013, at 10:47 PM, Karen Lewellen <klewel...@shellworld.net> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> consider asking for a supervisor Alex, it is a Holiday down there >>>>> tomorrow smiles. >>>>> Still it is support that the claim regarding described content being >>>>> virtually nonexistent made by the blinditv people is very wrong. >>>>> I feel sure the list is older, it goes back to early October of last year. >>>>> the link from the aCB site which I can post too lists things by the day, >>>>> but it is a google drive application. >>>>> I can share the link anyway though if there is interest . >>>>> Karen >>>>> >>>>> On Sun, 20 Jan 2013, Alex Hall wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Thanks for the lists. I'll have to call up Time Warner tomorrow and see >>>>>> what they have to say regarding enabling described content, then test it >>>>>> out Tuesday when Big Bang Theory is on (as that's the only show on the >>>>>> list that interests me). Who knows, they might have more content >>>>>> available now, though I doubt that the Syfy channel makes it into the >>>>>> top tier. >>>>>> On Jan 20, 2013, at 11:35 PM, Karen Lewellen <klewel...@shellworld.net> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Okay, >>>>>>> last one tonight. a tiny bit of data and I do mean tiny. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The 21st Century Communications and Video Accessibility Act of >>>>>>> 2010 reinstates the FCC's involvement in providing rules for >>>>>>> video description. Under the rules, affiliates in the top 25 >>>>>>> markets and the top five-rated cable networks will have to >>>>>>> provide at least 50 hours of video described programming per >>>>>>> quarter, starting July 1, 2012.^[8] >>>>>>> >>>>>>> this translates into at least 4 hours per week. >>>>>>> Now, this is only a swift listing and is slightly dated. >>>>>>> You will note that TBS has big bang theory in reruns, given this >>>>>>> list was about 3 months into the rules it makes sense that CBS would be >>>>>>> running them now too. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ABC: >>>>>>> * Don't Trust the B---- in Apartment 23 >>>>>>> * Extreme Makeover: Home Edition >>>>>>> * Happy Endings >>>>>>> * Last Man Standing >>>>>>> * The Middle >>>>>>> * Modern Family >>>>>>> * Nashville >>>>>>> * The Neighbors >>>>>>> * Secret Millionaire >>>>>>> * Shark Tank >>>>>>> * Suburgatory >>>>>>> >>>>>>> CBS: >>>>>>> * Criminal Minds >>>>>>> * CSI: Crime Scene Investigation >>>>>>> * NCIS >>>>>>> * NCIS: Los Angeles >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Disney Channel: >>>>>>> * A.N.T. Farm >>>>>>> * Austin & Ally >>>>>>> * Doc McStuffins >>>>>>> * Dog With a Blog >>>>>>> * Fish Hooks >>>>>>> * Good Luck Charlie >>>>>>> * Gravity Falls >>>>>>> * Jake and the Never Land Pirates >>>>>>> * Jessie >>>>>>> * Little Einsteins >>>>>>> * Mickey Mouse Clubhouse >>>>>>> * Phineas and Ferb >>>>>>> * Shake It Up >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Fox: >>>>>>> * American Dad! >>>>>>> * Bob's Burgers >>>>>>> * Bones >>>>>>> * The Cleveland Show >>>>>>> * Family Guy >>>>>>> * The Following >>>>>>> * Glee >>>>>>> * Hell's Kitchen >>>>>>> * Hotel Hell >>>>>>> * Kitchen Nightmares >>>>>>> * MasterChef >>>>>>> * The Mindy Project >>>>>>> * New Girl >>>>>>> * The Simpsons >>>>>>> >>>>>>> NBC: >>>>>>> * 30 Rock >>>>>>> * Animal Practice >>>>>>> * Betty White's Off Their Rockers >>>>>>> * Chicago Fire >>>>>>> * Community >>>>>>> * Deception >>>>>>> * Go On >>>>>>> * Grimm >>>>>>> * Guys with Kids >>>>>>> * Law & Order: Special Victims Unit >>>>>>> * Parenthood >>>>>>> * Saving Hope >>>>>>> * The Office >>>>>>> * Parks and Recreation >>>>>>> * Up All Night >>>>>>> * Whitney >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Nickelodeon: >>>>>>> * The Backyardigans >>>>>>> * Bubble Guppies >>>>>>> * Dora the Explorer >>>>>>> * The Fairly OddParents >>>>>>> * Go, Diego, Go! >>>>>>> * Max and Ruby >>>>>>> * Mike the Knight >>>>>>> * Ned's Declassified School Survival Guide >>>>>>> * Rugrats >>>>>>> * Splatalot! >>>>>>> * Team Umizoomi >>>>>>> >>>>>>> TBS: >>>>>>> * The Big Bang Theory (reruns) >>>>>>> * Tyler Perry's For Better or Worse >>>>>>> * Tyler Perry's House of Payne >>>>>>> >>>>>>> TNT: >>>>>>> * The Closer >>>>>>> * Law & Order (reruns) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Turner Classic Movies: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> * Various films, listed on WGBH's DVS page on TCM >>>>>>> >>>>>>> USA Network: >>>>>>> * Common Law >>>>>>> * Covert Affairs >>>>>>> * CSI: Crime Scene Investigation (reruns) >>>>>>> * Law & Order: Special Victims Unit (reruns) >>>>>>> * NCIS (reruns) >>>>>>> * NCIS: Los Angeles (reruns) >>>>>>> * Psych >>>>>>> * Royal Pains >>>>>>> * Suits >>>>>>> Again its dated, but see what I mean? >>>>>>> Karen >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sun, 20 Jan 2013, Alex Hall wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> At the risk of being off-topic, could you provide us with some popular >>>>>>>> shows that have audio description? Specifically, I enjoy Star Trek, >>>>>>>> Doctor Who, Star Gate (well, I would enjoy that one were it >>>>>>>> described), and the CBS show The Big Bang Theory. To my knowledge, >>>>>>>> none of these are ever described. If they are, I would love to know >>>>>>>> about it. I can figure out how to enable the descriptions if indeed >>>>>>>> there are descriptions to be heard, but I don't think these shows >>>>>>>> regularly air with any descriptions. Perhaps my cable company (TWC) >>>>>>>> would know, but I have never had much luck asking basic tech support >>>>>>>> about accessibility - they never seem to know what I'm talking about. >>>>>>>> I do agree that blind people cannot have it both ways, but exactly >>>>>>>> what are we supposed to do in the years it takes standard programming >>>>>>>> to become accessible? >>>>>>>> On Jan 20, 2013, at 8:52 PM, Karen Lewellen <klewel...@shellworld.net> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> depending on where you are, the source of your programming, your >>>>>>>>> cable provider or satellites provider is required to make that work >>>>>>>>> for you. >>>>>>>>> In fact you can file an FCC complaint now if they do not. >>>>>>>>> Additionally, efforts going on to make those menus work easily will >>>>>>>>> not get much support if people are just going to circulate avenues >>>>>>>>> to stolen property. >>>>>>>>> And you wonder why the author's guild fears making books work? >>>>>>>>> What is keeping programs with audio descriptions from getting >>>>>>>>> sponsorship the way captioning does? >>>>>>>>> The attitude that those getting the description do not deserve to be >>>>>>>>> treated like the rest of the consumer marketplace. >>>>>>>>> They can and will just steal it and circulate it as if this is >>>>>>>>> perfectly fine. >>>>>>>>> You cannot have it both ways, either you deserve a respected place at >>>>>>>>> the audience market table regardless of how differently you view that >>>>>>>>> table, or you deserve the stolen crumbs from that table. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Sun, 20 Jan 2013, Devin Prater wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Thanks for that. If I can figure out how the menus on my TV work, I >>>>>>>>>> will certainly use what the FCC has provided. >>>>>>>>>> On Jan 20, 2013, at 7:32 PM, Karen Lewellen >>>>>>>>>> <klewel...@shellworld.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> you bet it really matters. >>>>>>>>>>> And yes they do. >>>>>>>>>>> As of July 2012, all five broadcast networks and the same cable >>>>>>>>>>> networks must provide audio described content, and they are doing >>>>>>>>>>> i, every single week. >>>>>>>>>>> all television stations in the top 25 markets stateside must >>>>>>>>>>> provide the content as well...with additional markets joining >>>>>>>>>>> each year. >>>>>>>>>>> why should anyone invest in population who is simply going to >>>>>>>>>>> steal property. >>>>>>>>>>> cable providers and satellites providers must insure that you can >>>>>>>>>>> access the described content. >>>>>>>>>>> I do not have the link to post now, but program listings and >>>>>>>>>>> details are on the ACB website. >>>>>>>>>>> frankly I find this exclusionary and distasteful. >>>>>>>>>>> consumers who happen to score differently on an eye chart, must be >>>>>>>>>>> segregated to stolen property on the Internet Never mind that >>>>>>>>>>> Hollywood films and television shows air each week with described >>>>>>>>>>> content. >>>>>>>>>>> are you so lacking in personal dignity that you feel stolen >>>>>>>>>>> property is all you deserve? >>>>>>>>>>> Especially since the entire thing could be done legally? >>>>>>>>>>> Is to some extent already. >>>>>>>>>>> No one is going to value you if you do not value yourselves, >>>>>>>>>>> document that there is a market, use what the FCC is doing to >>>>>>>>>>> enhance the ability for everyone to enjoy television as they choose. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Karen >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 20 Jan 2013, Devin Prater wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Hmm. Does it really matter? No one else seems to provide this, do >>>>>>>>>>>> they? >>>>>>>>>>>> On Jan 20, 2013, at 7:03 PM, Karen Lewellen >>>>>>>>>>>> <klewel...@shellworld.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> ahem, >>>>>>>>>>>>> they do have the legal right to run this service with this >>>>>>>>>>>>> content? >>>>>>>>>>>>> Karen >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 20 Jan 2013, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Are their any UK channels? Do you think we could have an IOS >>>>>>>>>>>>>> App so that we can watch this service anywhere we go and we're >>>>>>>>>>>>>> not tied to the computer? I like this service. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kawal. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 20 Jan 2013, at 07:51 PM, Devin Prater <d.pra...@me.com> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I do like this service. Its pretty good, I can finally watch >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sci-fi, and therefore can watch star trek! :) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jan 20, 2013, at 12:49 PM, Matt Dierckens >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <matt.dierck...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi folks, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have been given permission to post about this from another >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> list. This is a great service. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Check it out and please spread the word. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Blindy.tv >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Have you ever wanted to watch TV with audio description but >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can't get the track on your tv? Well, now you can...sort of. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Have a look at this. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.blindy.tv >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This project was created so that everyone could watch TV >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> episodes with audio description. Every show (except the brain >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> channel) has described content. You can switch channels just >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like with an actual TV. So far, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> their are 5 channels. Comedy, Drama, Si-fi, Brain and ETC. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> More may be added if needed. Each show is either 30 or 60 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> minutes long. After the show their are commercials (better >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> than on TV, I can promise you that), a news segment or comedy >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> skit, and some instrumental music at the top and bottom of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> each hour. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To access this place, you can do one of two things: You can >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> either go to the website linked above and used the web >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> players, or, if you'd rather listen in your media player of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> choice, place this link into it. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This will load all channels, and you can use the next and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> previous controls to move through the different channels. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://blindy.tv/all.m3u >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please give any suggestions or criticisms you have. Feedback >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is always welcome. If you like the service, let us know. If >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you do not, tell us what we could do to fix it up. 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