Excellent points all. On Jan 21, 2013, at 11:54 AM, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com> wrote:
> I am not a lawyer, so do not write the following from a legal perspective, > but rather from one of personal ethics. > > For me, this is not an issue of civil disobedience. there are basically two > factors that figure in my assessment of this service. > > 1. Most important, it is a streaming service. None of us can "steal" > anything, when a show is over it's over. I cannot download any content, and > there is no new content that resides on my PC. I can't decide that I want to > watch a certain episode of Big Bang Theory whenever I want, I can only watch > whatever content is being streamed. In that respect it is no different from > Tune-In, Ootoonz, etc. > > 2. For me, and I imagine that for many, use of this service will serve as an > additional option, not a replacement. In my case, that means we will > continue our paid cable subscription, and our subscription to Netflix. So, > my streaming Blindy TV on occasion will have no negative consequences at all > for the television industry. If I'm not harming anyone else, and not > obtaining content than why not use it? > > We all make decisions every day about how we respond to laws. I've worked on > college campuses for years, and couldn't begin to estimate the number of > students who regularly just walk across the street, paying no heed to > traffic. That is a violation of the law. And moreover, it's one I disagree > with, largely for reasons of their personal well-being. Yet you haven't yet > seen a campaign to round every one of those students up and put them in jail. > So, it's a violation of the law that society has tacitly agreed to tolerate, > though we may think those students are exercising very poor judgment > sometimes. If Karen truly obeys every single law to the letter, she's one of > a very small handful of people. > Best, > Donna > On Jan 21, 2013, at 10:19 AM, Christine Grassman <cgrassman1...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> I know that in the UK, quite a lot of movies and television programs are >> described. Given that much of the audio description, except that done by >> WGBH, is narrated by a British narrator, I imagine most of it comes from the >> UK. >> I think the main bone of contention here is "legally and fully available". >> *Some* (quite minimal) content is legally available, but for most, even >> these crumbs are not fully accessible, and for most, not accessible at all. >> Living in a household which consists of four blind and visually impaired >> people, I resent paying the fees for TWC that I do while not being able to >> watch programming which is described. My children cannot get as much out of >> documentaries they are directed to watch by their teachers. At school, a >> teacher or fellow student is available to describe for them, but not at home. >> This is unacceptable; I am paying the same as my neighbors, but am receiving >> much, much less for my money. Further, the tech folks at TWC haven't a clue >> what audio description is (ditto supervisors). >> Fully available? Not according to my dictionary or experience. >> As pointed out previously, not everyone has modern equipment with a >> secondary audio channel, and many places choose a foregoing language feed >> rather than description, in the rare cases when the latter is in fact >> "legally available". >> Christine >> >> On Jan 21, 2013, at 11:06 AM, Devin Prater <d.pra...@me.com> wrote: >> >>> Well, the thing for me is, that if I can get the DVS on the TV, then fine, >>> wonderful. I'll surely use it sometimes. But what about when I'm at school, >>> and I want to watch something? I go to a blind school, so I stay in a dorm >>> all through the week. What do I do there? All the other kids watch >>> spungebob or whatever, so I just mainly stream my content, which up to now >>> has just been music and stuff, which I didn't really stream but rather just >>> got from iTunes. But now that I'm slightly interested in the whole TV >>> thing, what is there there? No one at the school knows about the whole FCC >>> thing, and I really don't think they'd go through the trouble of getting it >>> on there TVs. Must I pay for Serotek, when the sited get the same and much >>> more content when they want it? I know for a fact that Serotek doesn't have >>> all the star trek episodes that have been described. I am also curious as >>> to where they got the content they do have from. Would it be possible that >>> they have it illegally, and we are paying for an illegal service? >>> On Jan 21, 2013, at 9:57 AM, Karen Lewellen <klewel...@shellworld.net> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> read your own posts Donna, particularly those about the value "to *us.*" >>>> what *us* can you possibly mean? >>>> Many in this thread have stated plainly that they have no problem >>>> whatsoever breaking any law they feel prevents them from having something >>>> they want, using and stealing protected content...by your dictionary then, >>>> they are included in your "*us*." >>>> My point has been that for *me* personally there is no relationship >>>> between comfort and stealing, the same can be achieved without the use of >>>> stolen property, and the same is already done over the airways. The >>>> latter particularly is something the blindi-TV people are telling lies >>>> about in an effort to attract people to their site. >>>> I documented for those who asked the existence daily of described content >>>> fully and legally available. Reachable without violating any laws and if >>>> supported possibly matching even your idea of comfort depending on how you >>>> define comfort. >>>> My point has been, and I have no issue whatsoever owning my opinions >>>> without the need to create an *us* around them is that the content is >>>> there. support the content legally and there can be more of it, faster >>>> and easier. Demonstrate that those who have copyright concerns have a >>>> reason to fear, supporting a service rooting its activity in lies for >>>> example, and you justify the copyright holders concerns. >>>> >>>> I cannot speak to your personal Morals Donna, I can say though that I >>>> respect your right to them. as long as you do not project them on to me by >>>> way of an association that does not exist between ahem *us* . at all. As >>>> long as you do not use them to justify violating the rights of others for >>>> the sake of your personal comfort...including me or anyone else in your >>>> definition of personal comfort. >>>> I leave you to read your own posts and discover where that came from, and >>>> examine within yourself why it is so hard for *you* to own your choices >>>> without needing to create an *us* to support them. >>>> I know firmly that nothing you say here applies to me already smiles. >>>> The only thing we have in common is our humanity and the freedom to live >>>> differently that comes along with it. >>>> You say, reduces the value for *us* not reduces the value for me >>>> personally. If you cannot understand or choose not to understand the >>>> difference in that sentence...well. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Mon, 21 Jan 2013, Donna Goodin wrote: >>>> >>>>> Where the **** did that come from? >>>>> >>>>> I haven't made a single generalization about how others should or should >>>>> not live, all that's come from you. Or perhaps you don't consider >>>>> accusing others of stealing passing judgment? >>>>> >>>>> FWIW, I find my life to be quite wonderful, and yes, at times "unique and >>>>> magical". I just don't happen to believe that being comfortable >>>>> streaming online content makes me a moral degenerate. >>>>> Donna >>>>> >>>>> On Jan 21, 2013, at 8:49 AM, Karen Lewellen <klewel...@shellworld.net> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Donna, >>>>>> Why are you so invested in reducing every persons experience of sight >>>>>> loss to your own? >>>>>> I think you discover every day, if you so choose that is, that how one >>>>>> lives with a situation is as unique and magical as they desire. >>>>>> I personally have climbed no mountains, played golf tennis, or gone >>>>>> skiing lately...but I am not about to decide those who do this, and >>>>>> experience sight loss, are less independent because they do. >>>>>> Perhaps you should examine for yourself what it is about other people >>>>>> doing things differently that bothers you so much? >>>>>> >>>>>> Karen >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, 21 Jan 2013, Donna Goodin wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Karen, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Why are you so invested in insulting the rest of the world? I think >>>>>>> that you've made your point quite clearly. The fact that some of us >>>>>>> may not agree with you does not mean that we are all self-pitying, >>>>>>> unscrupulous, thieves. >>>>>>> Donna >>>>>>> On Jan 21, 2013, at 8:22 AM, Karen Lewellen <klewel...@shellworld.net> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> But it can. even more independently than the reprehensible excuse for >>>>>>>> stealing that is blindi-TV. >>>>>>>> Depending of course on how the individual in question experiences >>>>>>>> their blindness and writes their dictionary of independence. >>>>>>>> Surely you do not think all individuals with a sight loss diagnoses >>>>>>>> are exactly the same? the definition alone makes that perspective >>>>>>>> impossible, limited, and counter productive. >>>>>>>> As a post I shared ages back expressed, all humans are dependent on >>>>>>>> each other in one fashion or another. This is more beneficial to >>>>>>>> understand than creating false concepts of any experience that >>>>>>>> translate into exclusion. especially based on someone Else's >>>>>>>> definition of independence. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> us who? lol! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Mon, 21 Jan 2013, Donna Goodin wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> But, if that content cannot be independently accessed by a blind >>>>>>>>> individual, then it's value to us decreases significantly. >>>>>>>>> Donna >>>>>>>>> On Jan 20, 2013, at 10:47 PM, Karen Lewellen >>>>>>>>> <klewel...@shellworld.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> consider asking for a supervisor Alex, it is a Holiday down there >>>>>>>>>> tomorrow smiles. >>>>>>>>>> Still it is support that the claim regarding described content being >>>>>>>>>> virtually nonexistent made by the blinditv people is very wrong. >>>>>>>>>> I feel sure the list is older, it goes back to early October of last >>>>>>>>>> year. >>>>>>>>>> the link from the aCB site which I can post too lists things by the >>>>>>>>>> day, but it is a google drive application. >>>>>>>>>> I can share the link anyway though if there is interest . >>>>>>>>>> Karen >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 20 Jan 2013, Alex Hall wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for the lists. I'll have to call up Time Warner tomorrow and >>>>>>>>>>> see what they have to say regarding enabling described content, >>>>>>>>>>> then test it out Tuesday when Big Bang Theory is on (as that's the >>>>>>>>>>> only show on the list that interests me). Who knows, they might >>>>>>>>>>> have more content available now, though I doubt that the Syfy >>>>>>>>>>> channel makes it into the top tier. >>>>>>>>>>> On Jan 20, 2013, at 11:35 PM, Karen Lewellen >>>>>>>>>>> <klewel...@shellworld.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Okay, >>>>>>>>>>>> last one tonight. a tiny bit of data and I do mean tiny. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> The 21st Century Communications and Video Accessibility Act of >>>>>>>>>>>> 2010 reinstates the FCC's involvement in providing rules for >>>>>>>>>>>> video description. Under the rules, affiliates in the top 25 >>>>>>>>>>>> markets and the top five-rated cable networks will have to >>>>>>>>>>>> provide at least 50 hours of video described programming per >>>>>>>>>>>> quarter, starting July 1, 2012.^[8] >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> this translates into at least 4 hours per week. >>>>>>>>>>>> Now, this is only a swift listing and is slightly dated. >>>>>>>>>>>> You will note that TBS has big bang theory in reruns, given this >>>>>>>>>>>> list was about 3 months into the rules it makes sense that CBS >>>>>>>>>>>> would be running them now too. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> ABC: >>>>>>>>>>>> * Don't Trust the B---- in Apartment 23 >>>>>>>>>>>> * Extreme Makeover: Home Edition >>>>>>>>>>>> * Happy Endings >>>>>>>>>>>> * Last Man Standing >>>>>>>>>>>> * The Middle >>>>>>>>>>>> * Modern Family >>>>>>>>>>>> * Nashville >>>>>>>>>>>> * The Neighbors >>>>>>>>>>>> * Secret Millionaire >>>>>>>>>>>> * Shark Tank >>>>>>>>>>>> * Suburgatory >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> CBS: >>>>>>>>>>>> * Criminal Minds >>>>>>>>>>>> * CSI: Crime Scene Investigation >>>>>>>>>>>> * NCIS >>>>>>>>>>>> * NCIS: Los Angeles >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Disney Channel: >>>>>>>>>>>> * A.N.T. Farm >>>>>>>>>>>> * Austin & Ally >>>>>>>>>>>> * Doc McStuffins >>>>>>>>>>>> * Dog With a Blog >>>>>>>>>>>> * Fish Hooks >>>>>>>>>>>> * Good Luck Charlie >>>>>>>>>>>> * Gravity Falls >>>>>>>>>>>> * Jake and the Never Land Pirates >>>>>>>>>>>> * Jessie >>>>>>>>>>>> * Little Einsteins >>>>>>>>>>>> * Mickey Mouse Clubhouse >>>>>>>>>>>> * Phineas and Ferb >>>>>>>>>>>> * Shake It Up >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Fox: >>>>>>>>>>>> * American Dad! >>>>>>>>>>>> * Bob's Burgers >>>>>>>>>>>> * Bones >>>>>>>>>>>> * The Cleveland Show >>>>>>>>>>>> * Family Guy >>>>>>>>>>>> * The Following >>>>>>>>>>>> * Glee >>>>>>>>>>>> * Hell's Kitchen >>>>>>>>>>>> * Hotel Hell >>>>>>>>>>>> * Kitchen Nightmares >>>>>>>>>>>> * MasterChef >>>>>>>>>>>> * The Mindy Project >>>>>>>>>>>> * New Girl >>>>>>>>>>>> * The Simpsons >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> NBC: >>>>>>>>>>>> * 30 Rock >>>>>>>>>>>> * Animal Practice >>>>>>>>>>>> * Betty White's Off Their Rockers >>>>>>>>>>>> * Chicago Fire >>>>>>>>>>>> * Community >>>>>>>>>>>> * Deception >>>>>>>>>>>> * Go On >>>>>>>>>>>> * Grimm >>>>>>>>>>>> * Guys with Kids >>>>>>>>>>>> * Law & Order: Special Victims Unit >>>>>>>>>>>> * Parenthood >>>>>>>>>>>> * Saving Hope >>>>>>>>>>>> * The Office >>>>>>>>>>>> * Parks and Recreation >>>>>>>>>>>> * Up All Night >>>>>>>>>>>> * Whitney >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Nickelodeon: >>>>>>>>>>>> * The Backyardigans >>>>>>>>>>>> * Bubble Guppies >>>>>>>>>>>> * Dora the Explorer >>>>>>>>>>>> * The Fairly OddParents >>>>>>>>>>>> * Go, Diego, Go! >>>>>>>>>>>> * Max and Ruby >>>>>>>>>>>> * Mike the Knight >>>>>>>>>>>> * Ned's Declassified School Survival Guide >>>>>>>>>>>> * Rugrats >>>>>>>>>>>> * Splatalot! >>>>>>>>>>>> * Team Umizoomi >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> TBS: >>>>>>>>>>>> * The Big Bang Theory (reruns) >>>>>>>>>>>> * Tyler Perry's For Better or Worse >>>>>>>>>>>> * Tyler Perry's House of Payne >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> TNT: >>>>>>>>>>>> * The Closer >>>>>>>>>>>> * Law & Order (reruns) >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Turner Classic Movies: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> * Various films, listed on WGBH's DVS page on TCM >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> USA Network: >>>>>>>>>>>> * Common Law >>>>>>>>>>>> * Covert Affairs >>>>>>>>>>>> * CSI: Crime Scene Investigation (reruns) >>>>>>>>>>>> * Law & Order: Special Victims Unit (reruns) >>>>>>>>>>>> * NCIS (reruns) >>>>>>>>>>>> * NCIS: Los Angeles (reruns) >>>>>>>>>>>> * Psych >>>>>>>>>>>> * Royal Pains >>>>>>>>>>>> * Suits >>>>>>>>>>>> Again its dated, but see what I mean? >>>>>>>>>>>> Karen >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 20 Jan 2013, Alex Hall wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> At the risk of being off-topic, could you provide us with some >>>>>>>>>>>>> popular shows that have audio description? Specifically, I enjoy >>>>>>>>>>>>> Star Trek, Doctor Who, Star Gate (well, I would enjoy that one >>>>>>>>>>>>> were it described), and the CBS show The Big Bang Theory. To my >>>>>>>>>>>>> knowledge, none of these are ever described. If they are, I would >>>>>>>>>>>>> love to know about it. I can figure out how to enable the >>>>>>>>>>>>> descriptions if indeed there are descriptions to be heard, but I >>>>>>>>>>>>> don't think these shows regularly air with any descriptions. >>>>>>>>>>>>> Perhaps my cable company (TWC) would know, but I have never had >>>>>>>>>>>>> much luck asking basic tech support about accessibility - they >>>>>>>>>>>>> never seem to know what I'm talking about. I do agree that blind >>>>>>>>>>>>> people cannot have it both ways, but exactly what are we supposed >>>>>>>>>>>>> to do in the years it takes standard programming to become >>>>>>>>>>>>> accessible? >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jan 20, 2013, at 8:52 PM, Karen Lewellen >>>>>>>>>>>>> <klewel...@shellworld.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> depending on where you are, the source of your programming, your >>>>>>>>>>>>>> cable provider or satellites provider is required to make that >>>>>>>>>>>>>> work for you. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> In fact you can file an FCC complaint now if they do not. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Additionally, efforts going on to make those menus work easily >>>>>>>>>>>>>> will not get much support if people are just going to circulate >>>>>>>>>>>>>> avenues to stolen property. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> And you wonder why the author's guild fears making books work? >>>>>>>>>>>>>> What is keeping programs with audio descriptions from getting >>>>>>>>>>>>>> sponsorship the way captioning does? >>>>>>>>>>>>>> The attitude that those getting the description do not deserve >>>>>>>>>>>>>> to be treated like the rest of the consumer marketplace. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> They can and will just steal it and circulate it as if this is >>>>>>>>>>>>>> perfectly fine. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> You cannot have it both ways, either you deserve a respected >>>>>>>>>>>>>> place at the audience market table regardless of how differently >>>>>>>>>>>>>> you view that table, or you deserve the stolen crumbs from that >>>>>>>>>>>>>> table. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 20 Jan 2013, Devin Prater wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for that. If I can figure out how the menus on my TV >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> work, I will certainly use what the FCC has provided. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jan 20, 2013, at 7:32 PM, Karen Lewellen >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <klewel...@shellworld.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you bet it really matters. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And yes they do. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As of July 2012, all five broadcast networks and the same >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cable networks must provide audio described content, and they >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are doing i, every single week. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all television stations in the top 25 markets stateside must >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> provide the content as well...with additional markets >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> joining each year. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> why should anyone invest in population who is simply going to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> steal property. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cable providers and satellites providers must insure that you >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can access the described content. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I do not have the link to post now, but program listings and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> details are on the ACB website. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> frankly I find this exclusionary and distasteful. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> consumers who happen to score differently on an eye chart, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> must be segregated to stolen property on the Internet Never >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mind that Hollywood films and television shows air each week >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with described content. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are you so lacking in personal dignity that you feel stolen >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> property is all you deserve? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Especially since the entire thing could be done legally? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Is to some extent already. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No one is going to value you if you do not value yourselves, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> document that there is a market, use what the FCC is doing to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> enhance the ability for everyone to enjoy television as they >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> choose. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Karen >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 20 Jan 2013, Devin Prater wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hmm. Does it really matter? No one else seems to provide >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this, do they? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jan 20, 2013, at 7:03 PM, Karen Lewellen >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <klewel...@shellworld.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ahem, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they do have the legal right to run this service with this >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> content? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Karen >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 20 Jan 2013, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Are their any UK channels? Do you think we could have an >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> IOS App so that we can watch this service anywhere we go >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and we're not tied to the computer? I like this service. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kawal. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 20 Jan 2013, at 07:51 PM, Devin Prater <d.pra...@me.com> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I do like this service. Its pretty good, I can finally >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> watch sci-fi, and therefore can watch star trek! :) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jan 20, 2013, at 12:49 PM, Matt Dierckens >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <matt.dierck...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi folks, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have been given permission to post about this from >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> another list. This is a great service. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Check it out and please spread the word. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Blindy.tv >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Have you ever wanted to watch TV with audio description >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but can't get the track on your tv? Well, now you >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can...sort of. Have a look at this. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.blindy.tv >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This project was created so that everyone could watch TV >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> episodes with audio description. Every show (except the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> brain channel) has described content. You can switch >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> channels just like with an actual TV. So far, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> their are 5 channels. Comedy, Drama, Si-fi, Brain and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ETC. More may be added if needed. Each show is either 30 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or 60 minutes long. After the show their are commercials >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (better than on TV, I can promise you that), a news >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> segment or comedy skit, and some instrumental music at >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the top and bottom of each hour. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To access this place, you can do one of two things: You >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can either go to the website linked above and used the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> web players, or, if you'd rather listen in your media >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> player of choice, place this link into it. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This will load all channels, and you can use the next and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> previous controls to move through the different channels. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://blindy.tv/all.m3u >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please give any suggestions or criticisms you have. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Feedback is always welcome. If you like the service, let >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> us know. If you do not, tell us what we could do to fix >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it up. 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