I know that in the UK, quite a lot of movies and television programs are described. Given that much of the audio description, except that done by WGBH, is narrated by a British narrator, I imagine most of it comes from the UK. I think the main bone of contention here is "legally and fully available". *Some* (quite minimal) content is legally available, but for most, even these crumbs are not fully accessible, and for most, not accessible at all. Living in a household which consists of four blind and visually impaired people, I resent paying the fees for TWC that I do while not being able to watch programming which is described. My children cannot get as much out of documentaries they are directed to watch by their teachers. At school, a teacher or fellow student is available to describe for them, but not at home. This is unacceptable; I am paying the same as my neighbors, but am receiving much, much less for my money. Further, the tech folks at TWC haven't a clue what audio description is (ditto supervisors). Fully available? Not according to my dictionary or experience. As pointed out previously, not everyone has modern equipment with a secondary audio channel, and many places choose a foregoing language feed rather than description, in the rare cases when the latter is in fact "legally available". Christine
On Jan 21, 2013, at 11:06 AM, Devin Prater <d.pra...@me.com> wrote: > Well, the thing for me is, that if I can get the DVS on the TV, then fine, > wonderful. I'll surely use it sometimes. But what about when I'm at school, > and I want to watch something? I go to a blind school, so I stay in a dorm > all through the week. What do I do there? All the other kids watch spungebob > or whatever, so I just mainly stream my content, which up to now has just > been music and stuff, which I didn't really stream but rather just got from > iTunes. But now that I'm slightly interested in the whole TV thing, what is > there there? No one at the school knows about the whole FCC thing, and I > really don't think they'd go through the trouble of getting it on there TVs. > Must I pay for Serotek, when the sited get the same and much more content > when they want it? I know for a fact that Serotek doesn't have all the star > trek episodes that have been described. I am also curious as to where they > got the content they do have from. Would it be possible that they have it > illegally, and we are paying for an illegal service? > On Jan 21, 2013, at 9:57 AM, Karen Lewellen <klewel...@shellworld.net> wrote: > >> read your own posts Donna, particularly those about the value "to *us.*" >> what *us* can you possibly mean? >> Many in this thread have stated plainly that they have no problem whatsoever >> breaking any law they feel prevents them from having something they want, >> using and stealing protected content...by your dictionary then, they are >> included in your "*us*." >> My point has been that for *me* personally there is no relationship between >> comfort and stealing, the same can be achieved without the use of stolen >> property, and the same is already done over the airways. The latter >> particularly is something the blindi-TV people are telling lies about in an >> effort to attract people to their site. >> I documented for those who asked the existence daily of described content >> fully and legally available. Reachable without violating any laws and if >> supported possibly matching even your idea of comfort depending on how you >> define comfort. >> My point has been, and I have no issue whatsoever owning my opinions without >> the need to create an *us* around them is that the content is there. >> support the content legally and there can be more of it, faster and easier. >> Demonstrate that those who have copyright concerns have a reason to fear, >> supporting a service rooting its activity in lies for example, and you >> justify the copyright holders concerns. >> >> I cannot speak to your personal Morals Donna, I can say though that I >> respect your right to them. as long as you do not project them on to me by >> way of an association that does not exist between ahem *us* . at all. As >> long as you do not use them to justify violating the rights of others for >> the sake of your personal comfort...including me or anyone else in your >> definition of personal comfort. >> I leave you to read your own posts and discover where that came from, and >> examine within yourself why it is so hard for *you* to own your choices >> without needing to create an *us* to support them. >> I know firmly that nothing you say here applies to me already smiles. >> The only thing we have in common is our humanity and the freedom to live >> differently that comes along with it. >> You say, reduces the value for *us* not reduces the value for me personally. >> If you cannot understand or choose not to understand the difference in that >> sentence...well. >> >> >> >> On Mon, 21 Jan 2013, Donna Goodin wrote: >> >>> Where the **** did that come from? >>> >>> I haven't made a single generalization about how others should or should >>> not live, all that's come from you. Or perhaps you don't consider accusing >>> others of stealing passing judgment? >>> >>> FWIW, I find my life to be quite wonderful, and yes, at times "unique and >>> magical". I just don't happen to believe that being comfortable streaming >>> online content makes me a moral degenerate. >>> Donna >>> >>> On Jan 21, 2013, at 8:49 AM, Karen Lewellen <klewel...@shellworld.net> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> Donna, >>>> Why are you so invested in reducing every persons experience of sight loss >>>> to your own? >>>> I think you discover every day, if you so choose that is, that how one >>>> lives with a situation is as unique and magical as they desire. >>>> I personally have climbed no mountains, played golf tennis, or gone skiing >>>> lately...but I am not about to decide those who do this, and experience >>>> sight loss, are less independent because they do. >>>> Perhaps you should examine for yourself what it is about other people >>>> doing things differently that bothers you so much? >>>> >>>> Karen >>>> >>>> On Mon, 21 Jan 2013, Donna Goodin wrote: >>>> >>>>> Karen, >>>>> >>>>> Why are you so invested in insulting the rest of the world? I think that >>>>> you've made your point quite clearly. The fact that some of us may not >>>>> agree with you does not mean that we are all self-pitying, unscrupulous, >>>>> thieves. >>>>> Donna >>>>> On Jan 21, 2013, at 8:22 AM, Karen Lewellen <klewel...@shellworld.net> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> But it can. even more independently than the reprehensible excuse for >>>>>> stealing that is blindi-TV. >>>>>> Depending of course on how the individual in question experiences their >>>>>> blindness and writes their dictionary of independence. >>>>>> Surely you do not think all individuals with a sight loss diagnoses are >>>>>> exactly the same? the definition alone makes that perspective >>>>>> impossible, limited, and counter productive. >>>>>> As a post I shared ages back expressed, all humans are dependent on each >>>>>> other in one fashion or another. This is more beneficial to >>>>>> understand than creating false concepts of any experience that translate >>>>>> into exclusion. especially based on someone Else's definition of >>>>>> independence. >>>>>> >>>>>> us who? lol! >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, 21 Jan 2013, Donna Goodin wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> But, if that content cannot be independently accessed by a blind >>>>>>> individual, then it's value to us decreases significantly. >>>>>>> Donna >>>>>>> On Jan 20, 2013, at 10:47 PM, Karen Lewellen <klewel...@shellworld.net> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> consider asking for a supervisor Alex, it is a Holiday down there >>>>>>>> tomorrow smiles. >>>>>>>> Still it is support that the claim regarding described content being >>>>>>>> virtually nonexistent made by the blinditv people is very wrong. >>>>>>>> I feel sure the list is older, it goes back to early October of last >>>>>>>> year. >>>>>>>> the link from the aCB site which I can post too lists things by the >>>>>>>> day, but it is a google drive application. >>>>>>>> I can share the link anyway though if there is interest . >>>>>>>> Karen >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Sun, 20 Jan 2013, Alex Hall wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Thanks for the lists. I'll have to call up Time Warner tomorrow and >>>>>>>>> see what they have to say regarding enabling described content, then >>>>>>>>> test it out Tuesday when Big Bang Theory is on (as that's the only >>>>>>>>> show on the list that interests me). Who knows, they might have more >>>>>>>>> content available now, though I doubt that the Syfy channel makes it >>>>>>>>> into the top tier. >>>>>>>>> On Jan 20, 2013, at 11:35 PM, Karen Lewellen >>>>>>>>> <klewel...@shellworld.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Okay, >>>>>>>>>> last one tonight. a tiny bit of data and I do mean tiny. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> The 21st Century Communications and Video Accessibility Act of >>>>>>>>>> 2010 reinstates the FCC's involvement in providing rules for >>>>>>>>>> video description. Under the rules, affiliates in the top 25 >>>>>>>>>> markets and the top five-rated cable networks will have to >>>>>>>>>> provide at least 50 hours of video described programming per >>>>>>>>>> quarter, starting July 1, 2012.^[8] >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> this translates into at least 4 hours per week. >>>>>>>>>> Now, this is only a swift listing and is slightly dated. >>>>>>>>>> You will note that TBS has big bang theory in reruns, given this >>>>>>>>>> list was about 3 months into the rules it makes sense that CBS would >>>>>>>>>> be running them now too. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> ABC: >>>>>>>>>> * Don't Trust the B---- in Apartment 23 >>>>>>>>>> * Extreme Makeover: Home Edition >>>>>>>>>> * Happy Endings >>>>>>>>>> * Last Man Standing >>>>>>>>>> * The Middle >>>>>>>>>> * Modern Family >>>>>>>>>> * Nashville >>>>>>>>>> * The Neighbors >>>>>>>>>> * Secret Millionaire >>>>>>>>>> * Shark Tank >>>>>>>>>> * Suburgatory >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> CBS: >>>>>>>>>> * Criminal Minds >>>>>>>>>> * CSI: Crime Scene Investigation >>>>>>>>>> * NCIS >>>>>>>>>> * NCIS: Los Angeles >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Disney Channel: >>>>>>>>>> * A.N.T. Farm >>>>>>>>>> * Austin & Ally >>>>>>>>>> * Doc McStuffins >>>>>>>>>> * Dog With a Blog >>>>>>>>>> * Fish Hooks >>>>>>>>>> * Good Luck Charlie >>>>>>>>>> * Gravity Falls >>>>>>>>>> * Jake and the Never Land Pirates >>>>>>>>>> * Jessie >>>>>>>>>> * Little Einsteins >>>>>>>>>> * Mickey Mouse Clubhouse >>>>>>>>>> * Phineas and Ferb >>>>>>>>>> * Shake It Up >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Fox: >>>>>>>>>> * American Dad! >>>>>>>>>> * Bob's Burgers >>>>>>>>>> * Bones >>>>>>>>>> * The Cleveland Show >>>>>>>>>> * Family Guy >>>>>>>>>> * The Following >>>>>>>>>> * Glee >>>>>>>>>> * Hell's Kitchen >>>>>>>>>> * Hotel Hell >>>>>>>>>> * Kitchen Nightmares >>>>>>>>>> * MasterChef >>>>>>>>>> * The Mindy Project >>>>>>>>>> * New Girl >>>>>>>>>> * The Simpsons >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> NBC: >>>>>>>>>> * 30 Rock >>>>>>>>>> * Animal Practice >>>>>>>>>> * Betty White's Off Their Rockers >>>>>>>>>> * Chicago Fire >>>>>>>>>> * Community >>>>>>>>>> * Deception >>>>>>>>>> * Go On >>>>>>>>>> * Grimm >>>>>>>>>> * Guys with Kids >>>>>>>>>> * Law & Order: Special Victims Unit >>>>>>>>>> * Parenthood >>>>>>>>>> * Saving Hope >>>>>>>>>> * The Office >>>>>>>>>> * Parks and Recreation >>>>>>>>>> * Up All Night >>>>>>>>>> * Whitney >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Nickelodeon: >>>>>>>>>> * The Backyardigans >>>>>>>>>> * Bubble Guppies >>>>>>>>>> * Dora the Explorer >>>>>>>>>> * The Fairly OddParents >>>>>>>>>> * Go, Diego, Go! >>>>>>>>>> * Max and Ruby >>>>>>>>>> * Mike the Knight >>>>>>>>>> * Ned's Declassified School Survival Guide >>>>>>>>>> * Rugrats >>>>>>>>>> * Splatalot! >>>>>>>>>> * Team Umizoomi >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> TBS: >>>>>>>>>> * The Big Bang Theory (reruns) >>>>>>>>>> * Tyler Perry's For Better or Worse >>>>>>>>>> * Tyler Perry's House of Payne >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> TNT: >>>>>>>>>> * The Closer >>>>>>>>>> * Law & Order (reruns) >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Turner Classic Movies: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> * Various films, listed on WGBH's DVS page on TCM >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> USA Network: >>>>>>>>>> * Common Law >>>>>>>>>> * Covert Affairs >>>>>>>>>> * CSI: Crime Scene Investigation (reruns) >>>>>>>>>> * Law & Order: Special Victims Unit (reruns) >>>>>>>>>> * NCIS (reruns) >>>>>>>>>> * NCIS: Los Angeles (reruns) >>>>>>>>>> * Psych >>>>>>>>>> * Royal Pains >>>>>>>>>> * Suits >>>>>>>>>> Again its dated, but see what I mean? >>>>>>>>>> Karen >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 20 Jan 2013, Alex Hall wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> At the risk of being off-topic, could you provide us with some >>>>>>>>>>> popular shows that have audio description? Specifically, I enjoy >>>>>>>>>>> Star Trek, Doctor Who, Star Gate (well, I would enjoy that one were >>>>>>>>>>> it described), and the CBS show The Big Bang Theory. To my >>>>>>>>>>> knowledge, none of these are ever described. If they are, I would >>>>>>>>>>> love to know about it. I can figure out how to enable the >>>>>>>>>>> descriptions if indeed there are descriptions to be heard, but I >>>>>>>>>>> don't think these shows regularly air with any descriptions. >>>>>>>>>>> Perhaps my cable company (TWC) would know, but I have never had >>>>>>>>>>> much luck asking basic tech support about accessibility - they >>>>>>>>>>> never seem to know what I'm talking about. I do agree that blind >>>>>>>>>>> people cannot have it both ways, but exactly what are we supposed >>>>>>>>>>> to do in the years it takes standard programming to become >>>>>>>>>>> accessible? >>>>>>>>>>> On Jan 20, 2013, at 8:52 PM, Karen Lewellen >>>>>>>>>>> <klewel...@shellworld.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> depending on where you are, the source of your programming, your >>>>>>>>>>>> cable provider or satellites provider is required to make that >>>>>>>>>>>> work for you. >>>>>>>>>>>> In fact you can file an FCC complaint now if they do not. >>>>>>>>>>>> Additionally, efforts going on to make those menus work easily >>>>>>>>>>>> will not get much support if people are just going to circulate >>>>>>>>>>>> avenues to stolen property. >>>>>>>>>>>> And you wonder why the author's guild fears making books work? >>>>>>>>>>>> What is keeping programs with audio descriptions from getting >>>>>>>>>>>> sponsorship the way captioning does? >>>>>>>>>>>> The attitude that those getting the description do not deserve to >>>>>>>>>>>> be treated like the rest of the consumer marketplace. >>>>>>>>>>>> They can and will just steal it and circulate it as if this is >>>>>>>>>>>> perfectly fine. >>>>>>>>>>>> You cannot have it both ways, either you deserve a respected place >>>>>>>>>>>> at the audience market table regardless of how differently you >>>>>>>>>>>> view that table, or you deserve the stolen crumbs from that table. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 20 Jan 2013, Devin Prater wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for that. If I can figure out how the menus on my TV work, >>>>>>>>>>>>> I will certainly use what the FCC has provided. >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jan 20, 2013, at 7:32 PM, Karen Lewellen >>>>>>>>>>>>> <klewel...@shellworld.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> you bet it really matters. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> And yes they do. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> As of July 2012, all five broadcast networks and the same cable >>>>>>>>>>>>>> networks must provide audio described content, and they are >>>>>>>>>>>>>> doing i, every single week. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> all television stations in the top 25 markets stateside must >>>>>>>>>>>>>> provide the content as well...with additional markets joining >>>>>>>>>>>>>> each year. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> why should anyone invest in population who is simply going to >>>>>>>>>>>>>> steal property. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> cable providers and satellites providers must insure that you >>>>>>>>>>>>>> can access the described content. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I do not have the link to post now, but program listings and >>>>>>>>>>>>>> details are on the ACB website. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> frankly I find this exclusionary and distasteful. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> consumers who happen to score differently on an eye chart, must >>>>>>>>>>>>>> be segregated to stolen property on the Internet Never mind that >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hollywood films and television shows air each week with >>>>>>>>>>>>>> described content. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> are you so lacking in personal dignity that you feel stolen >>>>>>>>>>>>>> property is all you deserve? >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Especially since the entire thing could be done legally? >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Is to some extent already. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> No one is going to value you if you do not value yourselves, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> document that there is a market, use what the FCC is doing to >>>>>>>>>>>>>> enhance the ability for everyone to enjoy television as they >>>>>>>>>>>>>> choose. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Karen >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 20 Jan 2013, Devin Prater wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hmm. Does it really matter? No one else seems to provide this, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> do they? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jan 20, 2013, at 7:03 PM, Karen Lewellen >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <klewel...@shellworld.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ahem, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they do have the legal right to run this service with this >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> content? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Karen >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 20 Jan 2013, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Are their any UK channels? Do you think we could have an IOS >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> App so that we can watch this service anywhere we go and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we're not tied to the computer? I like this service. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kawal. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 20 Jan 2013, at 07:51 PM, Devin Prater <d.pra...@me.com> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I do like this service. Its pretty good, I can finally watch >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sci-fi, and therefore can watch star trek! :) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jan 20, 2013, at 12:49 PM, Matt Dierckens >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <matt.dierck...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi folks, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have been given permission to post about this from >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> another list. This is a great service. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Check it out and please spread the word. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Blindy.tv >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Have you ever wanted to watch TV with audio description but >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can't get the track on your tv? Well, now you can...sort >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of. Have a look at this. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.blindy.tv >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This project was created so that everyone could watch TV >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> episodes with audio description. Every show (except the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> brain channel) has described content. You can switch >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> channels just like with an actual TV. So far, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> their are 5 channels. Comedy, Drama, Si-fi, Brain and ETC. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> More may be added if needed. Each show is either 30 or 60 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> minutes long. After the show their are commercials (better >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> than on TV, I can promise you that), a news segment or >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> comedy skit, and some instrumental music at the top and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bottom of each hour. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To access this place, you can do one of two things: You can >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> either go to the website linked above and used the web >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> players, or, if you'd rather listen in your media player of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> choice, place this link into it. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This will load all channels, and you can use the next and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> previous controls to move through the different channels. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://blindy.tv/all.m3u >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please give any suggestions or criticisms you have. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Feedback is always welcome. If you like the service, let us >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> know. If you do not, tell us what we could do to fix it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> up. 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