Well said. Danny
Sent from my phone On 22/01/2013, at 1:36 AM, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com> wrote: > Karen, > > Why are you so invested in insulting the rest of the world? I think that > you've made your point quite clearly. The fact that some of us may not agree > with you does not mean that we are all self-pitying, unscrupulous, thieves. > Donna > On Jan 21, 2013, at 8:22 AM, Karen Lewellen <klewel...@shellworld.net> wrote: > >> But it can. even more independently than the reprehensible excuse for >> stealing that is blindi-TV. >> Depending of course on how the individual in question experiences their >> blindness and writes their dictionary of independence. >> Surely you do not think all individuals with a sight loss diagnoses are >> exactly the same? the definition alone makes that perspective impossible, >> limited, and counter productive. >> As a post I shared ages back expressed, all humans are dependent on each >> other in one fashion or another. This is more beneficial to understand >> than creating false concepts of any experience that translate into >> exclusion. especially based on someone Else's definition of independence. >> >> us who? lol! >> >> >> On Mon, 21 Jan 2013, Donna Goodin wrote: >> >>> But, if that content cannot be independently accessed by a blind >>> individual, then it's value to us decreases significantly. >>> Donna >>> On Jan 20, 2013, at 10:47 PM, Karen Lewellen <klewel...@shellworld.net> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> consider asking for a supervisor Alex, it is a Holiday down there >>>> tomorrow smiles. >>>> Still it is support that the claim regarding described content being >>>> virtually nonexistent made by the blinditv people is very wrong. >>>> I feel sure the list is older, it goes back to early October of last year. >>>> the link from the aCB site which I can post too lists things by the day, >>>> but it is a google drive application. >>>> I can share the link anyway though if there is interest . >>>> Karen >>>> >>>> On Sun, 20 Jan 2013, Alex Hall wrote: >>>> >>>>> Thanks for the lists. I'll have to call up Time Warner tomorrow and see >>>>> what they have to say regarding enabling described content, then test it >>>>> out Tuesday when Big Bang Theory is on (as that's the only show on the >>>>> list that interests me). Who knows, they might have more content >>>>> available now, though I doubt that the Syfy channel makes it into the top >>>>> tier. >>>>> On Jan 20, 2013, at 11:35 PM, Karen Lewellen <klewel...@shellworld.net> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Okay, >>>>>> last one tonight. a tiny bit of data and I do mean tiny. >>>>>> >>>>>> The 21st Century Communications and Video Accessibility Act of >>>>>> 2010 reinstates the FCC's involvement in providing rules for >>>>>> video description. Under the rules, affiliates in the top 25 >>>>>> markets and the top five-rated cable networks will have to >>>>>> provide at least 50 hours of video described programming per >>>>>> quarter, starting July 1, 2012.^[8] >>>>>> >>>>>> this translates into at least 4 hours per week. >>>>>> Now, this is only a swift listing and is slightly dated. >>>>>> You will note that TBS has big bang theory in reruns, given this >>>>>> list was about 3 months into the rules it makes sense that CBS would be >>>>>> running them now too. >>>>>> >>>>>> ABC: >>>>>> * Don't Trust the B---- in Apartment 23 >>>>>> * Extreme Makeover: Home Edition >>>>>> * Happy Endings >>>>>> * Last Man Standing >>>>>> * The Middle >>>>>> * Modern Family >>>>>> * Nashville >>>>>> * The Neighbors >>>>>> * Secret Millionaire >>>>>> * Shark Tank >>>>>> * Suburgatory >>>>>> >>>>>> CBS: >>>>>> * Criminal Minds >>>>>> * CSI: Crime Scene Investigation >>>>>> * NCIS >>>>>> * NCIS: Los Angeles >>>>>> >>>>>> Disney Channel: >>>>>> * A.N.T. Farm >>>>>> * Austin & Ally >>>>>> * Doc McStuffins >>>>>> * Dog With a Blog >>>>>> * Fish Hooks >>>>>> * Good Luck Charlie >>>>>> * Gravity Falls >>>>>> * Jake and the Never Land Pirates >>>>>> * Jessie >>>>>> * Little Einsteins >>>>>> * Mickey Mouse Clubhouse >>>>>> * Phineas and Ferb >>>>>> * Shake It Up >>>>>> >>>>>> Fox: >>>>>> * American Dad! >>>>>> * Bob's Burgers >>>>>> * Bones >>>>>> * The Cleveland Show >>>>>> * Family Guy >>>>>> * The Following >>>>>> * Glee >>>>>> * Hell's Kitchen >>>>>> * Hotel Hell >>>>>> * Kitchen Nightmares >>>>>> * MasterChef >>>>>> * The Mindy Project >>>>>> * New Girl >>>>>> * The Simpsons >>>>>> >>>>>> NBC: >>>>>> * 30 Rock >>>>>> * Animal Practice >>>>>> * Betty White's Off Their Rockers >>>>>> * Chicago Fire >>>>>> * Community >>>>>> * Deception >>>>>> * Go On >>>>>> * Grimm >>>>>> * Guys with Kids >>>>>> * Law & Order: Special Victims Unit >>>>>> * Parenthood >>>>>> * Saving Hope >>>>>> * The Office >>>>>> * Parks and Recreation >>>>>> * Up All Night >>>>>> * Whitney >>>>>> >>>>>> Nickelodeon: >>>>>> * The Backyardigans >>>>>> * Bubble Guppies >>>>>> * Dora the Explorer >>>>>> * The Fairly OddParents >>>>>> * Go, Diego, Go! >>>>>> * Max and Ruby >>>>>> * Mike the Knight >>>>>> * Ned's Declassified School Survival Guide >>>>>> * Rugrats >>>>>> * Splatalot! >>>>>> * Team Umizoomi >>>>>> >>>>>> TBS: >>>>>> * The Big Bang Theory (reruns) >>>>>> * Tyler Perry's For Better or Worse >>>>>> * Tyler Perry's House of Payne >>>>>> >>>>>> TNT: >>>>>> * The Closer >>>>>> * Law & Order (reruns) >>>>>> >>>>>> Turner Classic Movies: >>>>>> >>>>>> * Various films, listed on WGBH's DVS page on TCM >>>>>> >>>>>> USA Network: >>>>>> * Common Law >>>>>> * Covert Affairs >>>>>> * CSI: Crime Scene Investigation (reruns) >>>>>> * Law & Order: Special Victims Unit (reruns) >>>>>> * NCIS (reruns) >>>>>> * NCIS: Los Angeles (reruns) >>>>>> * Psych >>>>>> * Royal Pains >>>>>> * Suits >>>>>> Again its dated, but see what I mean? >>>>>> Karen >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sun, 20 Jan 2013, Alex Hall wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> At the risk of being off-topic, could you provide us with some popular >>>>>>> shows that have audio description? Specifically, I enjoy Star Trek, >>>>>>> Doctor Who, Star Gate (well, I would enjoy that one were it described), >>>>>>> and the CBS show The Big Bang Theory. To my knowledge, none of these >>>>>>> are ever described. If they are, I would love to know about it. I can >>>>>>> figure out how to enable the descriptions if indeed there are >>>>>>> descriptions to be heard, but I don't think these shows regularly air >>>>>>> with any descriptions. Perhaps my cable company (TWC) would know, but I >>>>>>> have never had much luck asking basic tech support about accessibility >>>>>>> - they never seem to know what I'm talking about. I do agree that blind >>>>>>> people cannot have it both ways, but exactly what are we supposed to do >>>>>>> in the years it takes standard programming to become accessible? >>>>>>> On Jan 20, 2013, at 8:52 PM, Karen Lewellen <klewel...@shellworld.net> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> depending on where you are, the source of your programming, your cable >>>>>>>> provider or satellites provider is required to make that work for you. >>>>>>>> In fact you can file an FCC complaint now if they do not. >>>>>>>> Additionally, efforts going on to make those menus work easily will >>>>>>>> not get much support if people are just going to circulate avenues to >>>>>>>> stolen property. >>>>>>>> And you wonder why the author's guild fears making books work? >>>>>>>> What is keeping programs with audio descriptions from getting >>>>>>>> sponsorship the way captioning does? >>>>>>>> The attitude that those getting the description do not deserve to be >>>>>>>> treated like the rest of the consumer marketplace. >>>>>>>> They can and will just steal it and circulate it as if this is >>>>>>>> perfectly fine. >>>>>>>> You cannot have it both ways, either you deserve a respected place at >>>>>>>> the audience market table regardless of how differently you view that >>>>>>>> table, or you deserve the stolen crumbs from that table. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Sun, 20 Jan 2013, Devin Prater wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Thanks for that. If I can figure out how the menus on my TV work, I >>>>>>>>> will certainly use what the FCC has provided. >>>>>>>>> On Jan 20, 2013, at 7:32 PM, Karen Lewellen >>>>>>>>> <klewel...@shellworld.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> you bet it really matters. >>>>>>>>>> And yes they do. >>>>>>>>>> As of July 2012, all five broadcast networks and the same cable >>>>>>>>>> networks must provide audio described content, and they are doing i, >>>>>>>>>> every single week. >>>>>>>>>> all television stations in the top 25 markets stateside must provide >>>>>>>>>> the content as well...with additional markets joining each year. >>>>>>>>>> why should anyone invest in population who is simply going to steal >>>>>>>>>> property. >>>>>>>>>> cable providers and satellites providers must insure that you can >>>>>>>>>> access the described content. >>>>>>>>>> I do not have the link to post now, but program listings and details >>>>>>>>>> are on the ACB website. >>>>>>>>>> frankly I find this exclusionary and distasteful. >>>>>>>>>> consumers who happen to score differently on an eye chart, must be >>>>>>>>>> segregated to stolen property on the Internet Never mind that >>>>>>>>>> Hollywood films and television shows air each week with described >>>>>>>>>> content. >>>>>>>>>> are you so lacking in personal dignity that you feel stolen property >>>>>>>>>> is all you deserve? >>>>>>>>>> Especially since the entire thing could be done legally? >>>>>>>>>> Is to some extent already. >>>>>>>>>> No one is going to value you if you do not value yourselves, >>>>>>>>>> document that there is a market, use what the FCC is doing to >>>>>>>>>> enhance the ability for everyone to enjoy television as they choose. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Karen >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 20 Jan 2013, Devin Prater wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Hmm. Does it really matter? No one else seems to provide this, do >>>>>>>>>>> they? >>>>>>>>>>> On Jan 20, 2013, at 7:03 PM, Karen Lewellen >>>>>>>>>>> <klewel...@shellworld.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> ahem, >>>>>>>>>>>> they do have the legal right to run this service with this content? >>>>>>>>>>>> Karen >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 20 Jan 2013, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Are their any UK channels? Do you think we could have an IOS App >>>>>>>>>>>>> so that we can watch this service anywhere we go and we're not >>>>>>>>>>>>> tied to the computer? I like this service. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Kawal. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 20 Jan 2013, at 07:51 PM, Devin Prater <d.pra...@me.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I do like this service. Its pretty good, I can finally watch >>>>>>>>>>>>>> sci-fi, and therefore can watch star trek! :) >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jan 20, 2013, at 12:49 PM, Matt Dierckens >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <matt.dierck...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi folks, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have been given permission to post about this from another >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> list. This is a great service. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Check it out and please spread the word. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Blindy.tv >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Have you ever wanted to watch TV with audio description but >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can't get the track on your tv? Well, now you can...sort of. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Have a look at this. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.blindy.tv >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This project was created so that everyone could watch TV >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> episodes with audio description. Every show (except the brain >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> channel) has described content. You can switch channels just >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like with an actual TV. So far, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> their are 5 channels. Comedy, Drama, Si-fi, Brain and ETC. More >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> may be added if needed. Each show is either 30 or 60 minutes >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> long. After the show their are commercials (better than on TV, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I can promise you that), a news segment or comedy skit, and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> some instrumental music at the top and bottom of each hour. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To access this place, you can do one of two things: You can >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> either go to the website linked above and used the web players, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or, if you'd rather listen in your media player of choice, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> place this link into it. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This will load all channels, and you can use the next and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> previous controls to move through the different channels. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://blindy.tv/all.m3u >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please give any suggestions or criticisms you have. Feedback is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> always welcome. If you like the service, let us know. If you do >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not, tell us what we could do to fix it up. 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