Hi,

I just stated that user error might be a possibility.  Keep in mind, I don't 
know you from a hole in the wall.  I have no idea what your level of expertise 
with your devices are.  After all, In my experience of being on lists like this 
for years now, the majority of issues are do to user error.  That is not meant 
to be a insult towards you.  Its just a fact.

I just find it odd that no one else seems to be encountering the same issues 
you are.  Could you walk me through were in iBooks you are having this problem? 
 And what device you are using?  I want to see if I can duplicate the issue 
with the table index.

Thanks.

Ricardo Walker
rica...@appletothecore.info
Twitter:@apple2thecore
www.appletothecore.info

On Feb 16, 2013, at 10:06 AM, Cheree Heppe <che...@dogsc4me.com> wrote:

> Cheree Heppe here:
> 
> The table index slider in the IBooks store is skittery and barely permits 
> tactile interface before it shifts focus.  Comparatively, the IPhone table 
> intex slider is better paced and usably responsive to casual brush-over's or 
> purposeful guided interaction by a user.
> 
> I don't have to accept the premise that, as a blind user, the access problem 
> in the IBooks table index slider is due to a blind person's careless or 
> inaccurate use.  The two sliders are programmed to react differently.
> 
> In the IPads vs the IPhone, the voices pronounce and react slightly 
> differently.  This says to me that deviations are creeping into the 
> programming and that the sections are not talking to one another and are not 
> keeping the responses standardized.
> 
> Regards,
> Cheree Heppe
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my IPhone 4S
> 
> On 15/02/2013, at 21:28, Ricardo Walker <rwalker...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I must say, I'm at a total loss about iBooks and the app store.  These seem 
> to be working fine for me on all my IOS devices.  I remember a few months 
> back, when they first changed the app store there was accessible issues.  I 
> think they fixed that in a month or less.  And I've never had any problems 
> using the table index sliders.  Just to be clear, I'm not saying that you are 
> not indeed having these issues.  I'm just wondering, could it be user error?
> 
> Ricardo Walker
> rica...@appletothecore.info
> Twitter:@apple2thecore
> www.appletothecore.info
> 
> On Feb 15, 2013, at 10:57 PM, Cheree Heppe <che...@dogsc4me.com> wrote:
> 
>> Cheree Heppe here:
>> 
>> No need to make excuses for Apple.  The IBooks store and the App Store have 
>> become significantly less accessible with the changing IOS versions.  This 
>> doesn't have to happen and is a bad sign.  In IBooks, there are horizontal 
>> rows of titles and at either end of those rows oone encounters a slider or 
>> something that when barely touched will shift the titles listings so that a 
>> blind user has a hell of a time determining what the list actually contains.
>> 
>> The same slider in the contacts list on the IPhone works well because it 
>> somehow paces itself with the user's scrolling finger and is very usable.
>> 
>> The App Store has these screen shots and a tiny place to flick up or 
>> whatever that in using the I-devices since 2010, I have not been able to 
>> master.  The earlier iteration of the app store's accessibility worked so 
>> well that it was easy to read about the apps, move through a list and so on. 
>>  I have barely used either the app store or IBooks store since these 
>> limitations became part of the IOS.
>> 
>> These changes make it nearly impossible for a new blind user to get a 
>> confident sense of the potential for independent access that we got only a 
>> few IOS upgrades ago.  This would be very off putting to me if I had 
>> acquired my I-device recently.
>> 
>> Apple does not have to model its screen reader and access after the 
>> seriously broken JAWS example.  I use JAWS at work and have never 
>> experienced a computer program so poorly equipped to do a job.
>> 
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Cheree Heppe
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my IPhone 4S
>> 
>> On 15/02/2013, at 15:50, "Blake Sinnett" <frequency...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hello,
>> 
>> I would have to agree. Apple has lost some of their magic ever since the 
>> middle of last year. Things just seem to be breaking a little too often. 
>> iCloud, bugs in iOS 6, the maps fiasco... Who knows what'll happen next. Of 
>> course Tim's just taken over, so maybe after a while things'll smooth out. 
>> The only thing we can do is wait and see what happens.
>> 
>> Blake
>> 
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>> Sent: Friday, February 15, 2013 11:42 AM
>> To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>> Subject: OT: iOS 6 Disappointment!
>> 
>>> OT: iOS 6 disappointment!
>>> 
>>> Is anyone else feeling a little sad about the iOS eco-system since release 
>>> in October. Don't get me wrong, there will always be issues. However Apple 
>>> has had so many issues.
>>> First, you had the complete redesign of iBooks,  App, iTunes store. In the 
>>> first release the blind community lost a lot of access, because we didn't 
>>> even have the ability to see ratings with the new software.
>>> Second, you had the App store crashing when you would go into the search 
>>> area. This happened to everyone, not just our community.
>>> thirdly, who can forget the map debacle.
>>> You have devices going into recovery mode when you do a reset.
>>> The 6. 1 update you now have exchange issue. The extreme 4s battery issue, 
>>> and now this morning people who use institutional accounts like at schools. 
>>> Individuals can bypass the no downloading option.
>>> I just find this so sad. apple used to pay such close attention to 
>>> stability, clean UI, and of course accessibility. I still love my Apple 
>>> products, and hope things change under Jony Ive. Is anyone else feeling 
>>> slightly let down? This is just a short list, I know you could point out 
>>> more. I just pointed out a few which never should have happened!
>>> 
>>> J.P.
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