On 1/4/10, yves coleman <yvescole...@wanadoo.fr> wrote: > Living in France, I have some problems with this debate. What does it change > for you, once Clinton and Obama are head of the American State and so in a > position to give orders to the CIA, to "prove" that they had previous > contacts with the CIA under a direct or undirect form ? What does it prove ? > That the CIA or the Secret services manipulate all word politics ? A kind of > Left wing version of Tom Clancy's novels ? > Tom Clancy always tries to justify in his books (I'm obliged to read them > for my proofreading job in France, so this is why I take this example, and > also because it symbolises for me a form of international popular "culture" > as it is translated in so many languages and adapted in films) that Secret > Services are essential for the defence of "world's democracy". Most of the > time his political examples are just hilarious, for anyone who tries to > understand the complexity of world politics. But it has one advantage: his > vision of the world is quite simple to understand. The USA and Israel > through their very efficient secret services save the world and fight the > Evil : communism, islamism, terrorism, the KGB/GPU/NKVD/MVD which will never > die, Russia, China and Iran, etc. > He even pushes his fascination for Secret Services to the extreme: his > Presidential hero is a former leader of a kind of private Secret Service. > > So all the importance of all this discussion and pseudo information and > pseudo "proofs" of Pilger and Co. about Obama and Clinton's links with the > CIA look very strange to me. > > Apart from a left conspirationist point of view (which does not seem to be > this list's point of view but which could coincide with Clancy's simplistic > view of world politics, with the only difference that everything Clancy > praises, left conspirationists despise it) what is the political interest > for you of these kind of uncheckable information ? > > Is there in the United States a significant portion of the population which > is naive enough to believe that Clinton and Obama were elected AGAINST the > will of the majority of the ruling class, of the ruling circles of the > State, of the Secret Services, of the Armed forces, etc. ? > > So why all this fuss about the CIA ?
^^^^^^^^ CB: My comment is a ( 1960's) joke (smile) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mau_Mau_Uprising http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Manchurian_Candidate ^^^^^ > > > Le 4/01/10 21:03, « c b » <cb31...@gmail.com> a écrit : > > > > > CeJ jannuzi > > > > Actually the youtube title is sensationalistic because in this little > > clip you will see Pilger do more analysis of Bushwa and Obama than you > > will see watching a year of Wolf Blitzer on CNN--starting with > > 'class', which is a term Marxists are familiar with. > > > > I would be wary of the 'WMR' material that is out there in blogdom, > > but Pilger is as always credible and to the point. > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lciMExazVqw > > > > > > ^^^^^^^^ > > CB: I think he might be a double agent, 'cause he was also the Mau Mau > > Candidate ( like the Manchurian Candidate) > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Marxism-Thaxis mailing list > > Marxism-Thaxis@lists.econ.utah.edu > > To change your options or unsubscribe go to: > > http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/listinfo/marxism-thaxis > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Marxism-Thaxis mailing list > Marxism-Thaxis@lists.econ.utah.edu > To change your options or unsubscribe go to: > http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/listinfo/marxism-thaxis > _______________________________________________ Marxism-Thaxis mailing list Marxism-Thaxis@lists.econ.utah.edu To change your options or unsubscribe go to: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/listinfo/marxism-thaxis
