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From what limited reading I have done, my understanding is that much of the pro-Leave vote came from towns outside metropolitan areas where "generic brown folks" are less represented. Others are right not to lump any and all opposition to the EU with "racism" but it would be foolish to pretend that it played *no* role given the open advocacy of such ideas by some of the right-wing pro-Leave campaigners. - Amith On Mon, Jun 27, 2016 at 3:01 PM, MM via Marxism <marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu > wrote: > ******************** POSTING RULES & NOTES ******************** > #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. > #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. > #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. > ***************************************************************** > > > On Jun 27, 2016, at 5:30 PM, marinercarpen...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > I’m not sure I understand what point you’re making... > > > This referendum originated in Cameron’s appeasement of the right wing of > his own party; there was no “left” that was remotely capable of redefining > the terms on which it would take place or be understood — only some naive > wishful thinking. For that reason, the referendum's impact was always going > to be shaped overwhelmingly by the racist, anti-immigrant sentiments of the > people who had “won” it as a concession: they knew they could spin this as > a victory for nativism and "traditional values” (as they are now doing). > > Recognising all of that, many of us urged support for remain, not out of > any love for the EU, but because *this referendum* — i.e., the one > happening in the real world, in June 2016, because of Cameron’s > appeasement, as opposed to some fantasy referendum flowing from an imagined > internationalist, anti-racist uprising — *was not the right referendum for > any progressive outcome*. > > Furthermore, since a leave vote was very obviously going to unleash the > racist right, many of us argued that *left* support for leave would fatally > undermine their credibility in the eyes of the millions of immigrants in > Britain whom they would be complicit in making immediately, concretely > vulnerable to abuse and physical danger — millions of people who are > otherwise their natural allies. > > I don’t care *remotely* what left supporters of leave want to say in > response to talking heads on the telly who are bad mouthing the British > working class. Their talking points have never been any part of the > argument that I and others were making. Raising it in discussion with left > critics of their position is a defensive red herring — a way of avoiding > confontation with the awful truth about their naivete and poor judgment, > their recklessness, and their complicity in the violence now unfolding. > > I hope that’s a bit clearer, because I'm completely sick of explaining it > while people are being attacked on the streets. > > _________________________________________________________ > Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm > Set your options at: > http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/amithrgupta%40gmail.com > _________________________________________________________ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
