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Hello Dave Riley, you are basically saying: if we do it right, we can produce so much with a limited planet that there is no need to restrict meat consumption, even if we are 7-9 billion people, and even if climate change drastically reduces what can be grown where. This does not convince me. The only reason why people in the rich countries can eat so much meat is that they also consume the share of the people in the poor countries, and that they pump fossil water using fossil fuels etc. This is a destructive process which has to be reined in. In order to allow the poor people a place at the table, we must change our wasteful eating habits. Meat consumption must be severely restricted. We must share the world with all other humans living now, with our descendants, and with other species. Right now we are using too much on all three counts. Hans G Ehrbar _________________________________________________________ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com