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Someone once pointed out to me, I think in re Eritrian "national liberation"'from Ethiopia, that Lenin advocated "alliances with the national liberationists"he did as a revolutionary tactic, not as a strategy for realizing socialism. Since then, whenever presented with a case to sympathize with politics that undermine support of friends who consider themselves liberal-progressive-left-democratic-and/or-pro-socialist for a government I know a) has a socialist constitution and b) the NYT has printed stories I suspect of a beginning campaign to demonize it for on the ground it oppresses a national or ethnic or religious group especially if it seems to make a moral case for secession, I have a stock answer: what would Lincoln do? Of course there may be fellow listers whose extensive research suggests supporting lincoln back then was supporting a running dog bourgie tool. But on the other hand there's the direct oral history recounted by so many Umited Daughters of the Confederacy(to this day I have to say) of black and white union trash raping our white ancestresses. At least my friend who thought I had some nerve suggesting feminist lawyers at Center for Constitutional Law were being used to foment left sympathies for recarving up Yugoslavia got rape as a war crime on the world agenda Peggy Powell Dobbins Sociology as an Art Form www.peggydobbins.net On Dec 2, 2010, at 10:58 AM, Louis Proyect <l...@panix.com> wrote: >> those platitudes >> as regards self determination were at the heart of the best of what I >> learned in the movement way back when and the authors thereof, like George >> Breitman, would certainly have had confidence in explaining and defending >> their views and not just brushed this important issue off. I ________________________________________________ Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
