> On Apr 9, 2026, at 06:11, RKOB via groups.io <[email protected]> wrote: > > I assume the reasons why some comrades dispute our thesis of a defeat for the > U.S. and Israel respectively a victory for Iran is because they consider Iran > not as a semi-colony but rather a (sub-)imperialist power.
There were two of us who objected, and David can speak for himself. My objection, Michael, has less to do with Iran than the kind of agitprop that misleads rather than informs. For example: "Furthermore, the ceasefire agreement also includes that Trump has to accept that Iran continues to control the Strait of Hormuz and to collect tolls from vessels transiting the route." As David pointed out, you cited Iran's proposal and called it "the agreement." If your claim is that Iran has won and the war is now over, that Iran's terms have been accepted by the US, Israel and Saudi Arabia, I think that's dangerously misleading. US aggression against Iran is not over. There is no "agreement." Like in Greenland, Trump climbed down once again and we don't know why. Unlike Greenland, it probably isn't over. We don't know what the Europeans threatened to do but Trump fled the European conference two days early. My point was that your analysis is incomplete because there was no consideration of the Gulf States. MBS is probably at least as important to Trump's motives as Israel because of Saudi money. Like in the Occupied Territories, you focus on the military and neglect the political, anticipating a military victory where they can be none. The US is being politically humiliated and isolated but not seriously weakened by Iran's intransigence; the US allies are. A political victory is far more likely. China and the EU are opposed to the US war and can do things about it. Maybe they already are doing it. We don't know. People have pointed out that the China and the EU are holding enough US bonds that they could create a financial crisis in the US by massively selling them. Mark -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Groups.io Links: You receive all messages sent to this group. View/Reply Online (#41396): https://groups.io/g/marxmail/message/41396 Mute This Topic: https://groups.io/mt/118722013/21656 -=-=- POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. #4 Do not exceed five posts a day. -=-=- Group Owner: [email protected] Unsubscribe: https://groups.io/g/marxmail/leave/13617172/21656/1316126222/xyzzy [[email protected]] -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
