I am sure there are those in most any administration whose loyalty is not to "Truth, Justice, and the American Way", but to the party/people who they believe will make the country better or stronger or make them more money [take you pick - it's probably a mixture anyway]. Those are the really dangerous ones. The zealots always are, because they are convinced they are doing the equivalent of 'God's work' and any damage done is excusable, be they terrorists with a bomb strapped to themselves or political terrorists who plan political campaigns or military commanders who dont take proper care to keep ordinance out of civilian areas. Would I say that is too much for GWB to have done? Yes, I would. Some misguided political zealots [other than the 9/11 terrorists], possibly. Perhaps I am guilty of some naiveté here, but if so I'll be one of those who lives more happily because of it. I could not begin to counter such as you posit because I am not willing to do what it would take to get that done. For me to live with some basic trust of people is necessary for my life, though it has had a cost. I suppose that like so many problems it comes down to greed. Greed for power, for influence, for position or for financial gain, or even to be 'right' more than others. I doubt we will agree on this stuff Gary, because you can see conspiracy in all the places it could possibly be, and I'm just not willing to work that hard. The curse of being a moderate, I guess, and probably of having spent a lot of years dealing with various local emergencies/crisis that were not any different from normal life except for some individual's hyper-focus on it. BillR
-----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gary Hurst Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2008 9:51 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] 9/11 inside job? [was: GWB] would you put it past him? why wouldn't the group that manufactured iraq also be capable of producing wtc? On Sun, Jun 29, 2008 at 9:46 PM, Bill R <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > What he said. I'm pleased the government [at least the military] is owning > up to how messed up the war in Iraq has been, but that will never make up > for the malignant stupidity that got us there. WTC might have been the > best > political thing that ever happened to GWB, but no matter how much I dislike > his administration I won't put that one on him. > BillR > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > On Behalf Of LarryT > Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2008 7:27 PM > To: Mercedes Discussion List > Subject: Re: [MBZ] 9/11 inside job? [was: GWB] > > You wrote <<it is easier to accept that the > president and much of the federal government are totally incompetent>> > > The idea there was any conspiracy among a dozen or more govt agencies to > > kill thousands of Americans & destroy the WTC and Pentagon is beyond > reasonable belief. Those of us who watched in on TV will never forget the > sight. > > I have a hard time believing there was any incompetence. The 1st 2 > planes hit within a few minutes of each other not allowing enough time for > anyone to do anything. The 3rd plane hit the Pa. farmland shortly later > and > > the 4th was in the crosshairs of fighterplanes for its short flight time > remaining. That the President and others who had to make the choice to > shoot them down or not shoot them down seems like a normal hesitance hoping > against hope we would not be pushed into killing 200+ of our own people by > terrorists. > > I'm not a fan of GWB but some things are just plain silly. > > Larry T > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Alex Chamberlain" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Mercedes Discussion List" <mercedes@okiebenz.com> > Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2008 6:59 PM > Subject: [MBZ] 9/11 inside job? [was: GWB] > > > > On Sun, Jun 29, 2008 at 1:22 PM, Gary Hurst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > >> the story is kind of silly. either we conclude that our president and > >> everyone around him, as well as the entire air defense system, is > >> completely > >> inept or retarded or we conclude that it was an inside job. which works > >> best for you? > > > > This is the weakness in Occam's razor, isn't it? Other things being > > equal, the simplest explanation is the best, but what's your > > definition of "simplest"? For me it is easier to accept that the > > president and much of the federal government are totally incompetent > > than that shadow forces of some kind within the executive branch > > planned and carried out that kind of deception on such a massive > > scale. > > > > I'm not saying that sometimes conspiracy theorists aren't in fact > > correct in their reasoning even though their explanation may at first > > appear to be the one that is more complex and requires more > > assumptions. Consider JFK's assassination. It is a simpler > > explanation that there was a second shooter and therefore a cover-up > > of some kind than that the laws of physics were temporarily suspended > > so that the shots Oswald fired could behave in a way no bullet had > > done before or has since. Like Sherlock Holmes said, when you > > eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must > > be the truth. > > > > Alex Chamberlain > > > > _______________________________________ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > _______________________________________ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > _______________________________________ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > _______________________________________ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com _______________________________________ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
