As Ben Franklin was leaving the Constitutional Convention which formed this country a woman ask him "Mr. Franklin, what have you given us?" to which he replied "A Republic madam, if you can keep it"......
It would appear we have not yet lost it completely, but nearly. A Democracy is two wolves and a sheep voting on what to have for dinner. A Republic is a well armed Sovereign Citizen sheep telling the two wolves to find dinner elsewhere. Read the history of the ACT of 1879 and what happened to the Constitution and the Republic afterwards... google will give you a few days of "light reading"... many point out that as the start of our current troubles. I leave you to draw your individual conclusions, however much evidence is given which shows loss of individual self determination and the rise of "big government answers" and "social engineering" even 140 yrs ago. Grant... AZ... On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 11:28 AM, WILTON <wilt...@nc.rr.com> wrote: > Yep. > > Wilton > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry" <l02tur...@comcast.net> > To: "Mercedes Discussion List" <mercedes@okiebenz.com> > Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2011 11:25 AM > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Oh Wilton > > > Wilton, >> IMO your background type of background is what many children do not >> have. Living in a 'materialism poor" environment, gave you the desire and >> perseverance many never people develop. There have so many crazy >> approaches to child rearing over the years and few advocated discipline and >> hard word. The latest rounds of things like -- no grades, no >> winners/losers, everyone passes, is such nonsense - none of these >> approaches prepare children for what the world will be like. >> >> This kind of "logic" is what is driving the OWS types who demand free >> college, wiping out education loans, and many new grads who expect high >> salaries when hired. This is why many dislike capitalism - because >> capitalism is driven by innovation, hard work, long hours and often low pay >> - but with the potential to go as high as your talent can take you. No, not >> everyone will be superstars; but because many kids have been told "you're >> special" when they may not be (except in the eyes of their parents) their >> whole lives, and have been allowed to succeed at everything - because >> failure was never part of the program - they see a life that they're told >> would be better in a socialist system. The reality of that idea is crazy >> because in socialist societies there is never parity - the people at the >> top live like kings (which in reality they are) and the rest of the people >> live like serfs - which they also are. Unfortunately, in socialism not >> everyone wins - and those not related to the leaders in some way are doomed >> to be serfs their whole life. In capitalism *anyone* can rise to the top >> and *anyone* can stay at the bottom - but it's up to the individual, >> nothing else. Rich kids can become bums and poor kids can rise to the top >> - on their own talent and desire. >> >> Rant Off, >> LarryT >> 91 300D >> >> -----Original Message----- From: WILTON >> Sent: Monday, December 19, 2011 5:51 PM >> To: Mercedes Discussion List >> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Oh Wilton >> >> My greatest incentive to get an education was within me - I WANTED it; I >> wish every child, every teenager could have at least a little bit of that >> intense desire for an education that I had. That's what growing up on >> tenant farms in eastern NC did for me. If every teenager had just a >> little >> bit of that desire that I had, there'd be NO truancy and discipline >> problems, and we would not have enough schools and teachers, but the >> teachers would find it a Helluva lot easier to teach. >> >> Mom and Dad never had much money or material things, but probably one of >> the >> greatest things they gave me, other than life itself, was a sense of >> integrity - to be able to what is right when nobody else is watching. >> >> Wilton >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "OK Don" <okd...@gmail.com> >> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" <mercedes@okiebenz.com> >> Sent: Monday, December 19, 2011 5:06 PM >> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Oh Wilton >> >> >> On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 2:56 PM, Alex Chamberlain >>> <apchamberl...@gmail.com>**wrote: >>> >>> On Dec 19, 2011 11:57 AM, "Dieselhead" <126die...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> And the quantity of money doesn't correlate to the quality of >>>> >> the education. >>>> >> >>>> >> This doesn't mean an education budget should be zero - just that >>>> >> the focus should be on the education and not the budget. >>>> >> >>>> >> -- Philip >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > Actually, there is an inverse relation. 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