Just a further thought. Someone do the math on this please. Presumed living population of USA via last census is 312 million... reported abortions post Rowe v Wade is 58 million.
What, in real percentage, does that represent to the population? To the work force? To the number of males v female breeding pool? etc etc etc. It would be of interest to see those numbers, based on solid research, not emotional sound bites, just once. Anyone here enough of a research driven, number cruncher, scientist to dig those out? On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 8:22 AM, G Mann <g2ma...@gmail.com> wrote: > Well said, thank you. > > Following that same line of fact based logic. The host organism for the > new life, in this case the woman's womb, supplys both food and safe > environment for this new life to develop. Following that line of thought, > post birth, this same new life requires both food and safe environment > supplied by same mother [and father] for a number of years before that new > life is self supporting and self sustaining [ever feed a teen age kid ? ] > > Logic, based on fact, would ask the question: What would our present > society do to that same mother [and father] if they fail to provide life > necessary elements to that same child post birth? What penalty is then > imposed, one minute post birth, if the mother, or any other live person, > terminates that new life? > > Then comes the question. Which of the 58,000,000 abortions since Rowe v > Wade failed that same test? > > Then comes the question: If those same 58,000,000 individuals were now > working taxpayers, what impact would that have on the Social Security Trust > Fund ? Would their incomes and payments support the crushing national > debt? Pay for social programs? Contribute to the production of goods and > services to society? > > All questions that require fact, thought, and logic to extrapolate. All > issues that are not brought to the discussion in the 5 second sound bite of > "Womans Rights". Are we really an evolved civilization that somehow > justifies the wholesale death of 58,000,000 of our children, pre-birth? > > Respectfully... > > Grant... > > > On Sun, Jan 19, 2014 at 10:01 PM, Craig <diese...@pisquared.net> wrote: > >> On Sun, 19 Jan 2014 13:56:08 -0800 (PST) Curt Raymond >> <curtlud...@yahoo.com> wrote: >> >> > Ahh, I have severe doubts about this one. Sure self regenerating cells >> > but they're completely dependent upon the host. By this logic killing >> > anything is murder. >> >> Yes, calling them "self-regenerating cells" is a logical mis-step and >> leads to incorrect conclusions. >> >> The truth is that a male human has 46 chromosomes in all of his cells, >> except for sperm, which have 23. A female human has 46 chromosomes in all >> of her cells except for ovum, which have 23. When a sperm and an ovum >> unite, the combination again has 46 chromosomes and is a proper human >> cell capable of dividing and continuing life. Note, however, that since it >> got half of its chromosomes from its father and half of its chromosomes >> from its mother, it is a TOTALLY NEW HUMAN. >> >> Yes, a human embryo, the initial stages of a human life, is dependent upon >> its mother for protection and nurishment. The mother's womb is designed to >> provide the proper environment for a developing baby to live. It's not >> unlike someone in a coma who is dependent upon a hospital and its >> machines and supplies for a proper environment to live. >> >> You are right, though, that unlawful taking of human life is murder. >> The lawful taking of human life includes self-defense. NOTE: This is not >> limited to firearms as mentioned in other threads, but also in the case >> of where a pregnant woman's life is in danger. (Note: LIFE not HEALTH, >> which poor Supreme Court decisions have conflated with anything a woman >> and her doctor might consider to cause her mental anguish.) Terminating >> an ectopic pregnancy where the embryo attached to fallopian tubes does >> endanger a woman's life, for example, does meet the criterion. >> >> >> > Have you read "Freakonomics"? I recommend it heartily, holds no >> > political platform either way and draws interesting conclusions >> > including: Abortion drives DOWN crime. >> > >> > >> > I find that one fascinating, they do a lot of diligence on these, they >> > try to correct for every possible factor in the data. They've even >> > found in places where abortions are more difficult to get crime rates >> > rise. Its simple, babies born to parents who don't want them tend to >> > become criminals... >> >> This is symptomatic of the general decline and degredation of our >> society, particularly in the black community. Margaret Sanger, the >> founder of Planned Parenthood, openly planned to target black >> communities for ethnic cleansing (there is another term for it, but I >> cannot think of it right now). Planned Parenthood and "The War on >> Poverty" have had a disastrous effect on the black community. In Martin >> Luther King, Jr.'s time, blacks were very religious. He, afterall, was a >> pastor. The communists tried to inflitrate his group and could not >> because they were so dedicated to Christianity and the truly righteous >> way of doing things. >> >> In the years since "The War on Poverty" started [hundreds of billions, if >> not trillions, of dollars have been spent on fighting poverty -- poverty >> won] and the State stepped in to usurp the place of the Church, black >> husbands have been driven from their homes and black children have been >> left fatherless, with black "welfare queens" being the most conspicuous >> result, who are paid to keep producing children without resident fathers >> and husbands. This has fractured the black family and the black community >> and has damaged the black church. >> >> This is not how it should be, committing one crime, murdering children, >> to keep other crimes down. >> >> Enough for now. I need to let my blood pressure come back down. >> >> BTW, if you want to hear about MLK, Jr. as a pastor, go to >> http://www.blubrry.com/thepublicsquare60/ and listen to the program for >> 17 January, the most recent at this point in time. >> >> >> Craig >> >> _______________________________________ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > > _______________________________________ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
