FCP has lifetime warranty. But why do they call it a "conductor plate" and the covington site says it's a "valve body" and does not fit the car selected?
On Thu, Sep 1, 2022, at 13:31, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes wrote: > Same part number. Says it’s remanufactured which would be fine if it > has a warranty. Probably one that had bad speed sensors or something > and it was repaired. You can buy those off eBay for $250 but maybe not > warranty that would be as good? > > --FT > Sent from iFōn > >> On Sep 1, 2022, at 1:58 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes >> <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >> >> Yes the FCP part says it needs programming. But it's also 3x the price of >> the part MB Covington listed. Are they really the same thing? >> >> https://www.mbofcovington.com/parts/order-parts.htm?path=%2Fsearch%3Fsearch_str%3D000270260080 >> >> >> >>> On Thu, Sep 1, 2022, at 12:48, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes wrote: >>> The part is sourced from MB. Only way to get a new one. But it is >>> “virgin “ and has no programming. You have to get MB or some third >>> party to clone it. >>> >>> --FT >>> Sent from iFōn >>> >>>>> On Sep 1, 2022, at 1:21 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes >>>>> <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> Good point. However, MB of Covington does have a phone number and will >>>> talk to you about parts and applications over the phone. >>>> >>>> Interesting that they consider the conductor plate a theft relevant part. >>>> I’ll have to ask my dealer guys/gals about this. I wonder how FCP buys >>>> this if that’s truly the case? >>>> >>>> -D >>>> >>>>> On Sep 1, 2022, at 10:09 AM, Allan Streib via Mercedes >>>>> <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> So this is an interesting example. Just as a random trial I went to >>>>> mbofcovington.comn parts page and selected 2008 E350 "Base" model as my >>>>> car and tried to find a transmission conductor plate. I'm sure it's in >>>>> there, but I could not find it by searching for "conductor plate" or >>>>> "conductor" or by the menu navigation. >>>>> >>>>> On FCPEuro I found it easily by selecting that vehicle and searhing for >>>>> "conductor plate" and it lists it as "Genuine Mercedes" for $949. >>>>> >>>>> https://www.fcpeuro.com/products/mercedes-transmission-conductor-plate-genuine-mercedes-0002702600 >>>>> >>>>> Then I went back to MB Covington and searched for the SKU number >>>>> (000270260080) that FCP Euro gave me. It came up with an entry called >>>>> "Automatic Transmission Valve Body" that "Does not fit your 2008 Mercedes >>>>> Benz E350" and is also "This item is considered a theft relevant part and >>>>> is not available for purchase online. Please contact your local dealer >>>>> for more information." List price is $369 for this "remanufactured" part. >>>>> >>>>> So, as a non-professional customer, the FCPEuro experience is way better. >>>>> I'm not even sure I'm finding the right part on MB Covington. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, Sep 1, 2022, at 11:40, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote: >>>>>> I totally understand this. >>>>>> >>>>>> However, if you’re buying online, there are any number of RevParts >>>>>> dealers (dealers who sell parts online) that sell with very good >>>>>> discount models making OE parts pretty darned cheap, relatively >>>>>> speaking. And I’m addressing OE parts, not OEM parts that you can buy >>>>>> from a third party seller like FCPEuro. >>>>>> >>>>>> For example, I bought the driver’s side exterior mirror guts for my >>>>>> ML550. List was around $500, my dealer’s price to me was around $375, >>>>>> MB of Covington wanted $250 + about $17 to ship. Easy decision. >>>>>> >>>>>> Same with a right side exterior mirror cover. List about $300, my >>>>>> dealer about $200, MB of Covington was like $140 + $17 shipping. >>>>>> >>>>>> Dealers use different discount structures. Some discount “down” from >>>>>> MSRP, or list price. Others, like Covington, mark “up" from their cost. >>>>>> As cost varies wildly depending on the part and other factors you can >>>>>> often get a much better deal working with an online dealer like MB of >>>>>> Covington who marks up from cost. >>>>>> >>>>>> -D >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sep 1, 2022, at 9:24 AM, Allan Streib via Mercedes >>>>>>> <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> All well and good if you have a dealership where you can walk in and >>>>>>> talk to people. I am 75 miles from an MB dealer, and it's not anywere I >>>>>>> go on a regular basis otherwise. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I used to buy parts from Rusty back in the day. I think he had a dealer >>>>>>> relationship where he could get OE parts when WorldPac didn't carry the >>>>>>> OEM equivalent? These days I use FCPEuro because the website and >>>>>>> service is great, they warranty everything they sell for life, and they >>>>>>> actually honor that warranty without me jumping through hoops. If >>>>>>> FCPEuro didn't have a part, I guess I'd start looking at dealer >>>>>>> websites. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Thu, Sep 1, 2022, at 11:11, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote: >>>>>>>> Depending on what the part is, the discount model that MB of Covington >>>>>>>> uses usually makes it a wash or slightly less than my local dealer due >>>>>>>> to sales taxes. However, I discussed this with my dealer a few weeks >>>>>>>> ago and they said they would match Covington’s price for me, so in the >>>>>>>> future I’ll price check using Covington and then go to my local dealer. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Maybe it’s an anomaly, but my dealer empowers their employees to make >>>>>>>> the deal to get a sale. That’s really great for both of us, because >>>>>>>> they get the business and I get the best price. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -D >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Sep 1, 2022, at 9:00 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes >>>>>>>>> <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I would probably buy a lot more dealer parts if my dealer was not a >>>>>>>>> rip off. The shipping from the online places usually ends up being >>>>>>>>> too much. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Sep 1, 2022, at 10:22 AM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes >>>>>>>>>> <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I think the point is, “How many of those parts are you buying from >>>>>>>>>> the dealer?” OEM won’t make a difference. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I mean, I even buy my soft parts such as filters and such for the >>>>>>>>>> dealer in most cases. They’re maybe 10% more, but it’s an OE part, >>>>>>>>>> which certainly has value. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -D >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Sep 1, 2022, at 8:04 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes >>>>>>>>>>> <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> My goal is not to keep a beater on the road as cheap as possible >>>>>>>>>>> although some cars that come they might fit that description. All >>>>>>>>>>> of my drivers are properly maintained with OE or OEM parts. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sep 1, 2022, at 9:15 AM, Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes >>>>>>>>>>>>> <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Is not that they "don't care about" them, its simply a matter of >>>>>>>>>>>> suppliers >>>>>>>>>>>> no longer willing to make the parts and not finding a cost >>>>>>>>>>>> effective >>>>>>>>>>>> replacement. If there is a demand, they will try to find a >>>>>>>>>>>> solution. >>>>>>>>>>>> They're a business, not a parts charity. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Next complaint will be that reworked replacement parts are too >>>>>>>>>>>> expensive. >>>>>>>>>>>> It takes significant resources to manufacture any parts for any >>>>>>>>>>>> car, new or >>>>>>>>>>>> old. Engineers, purchasing, business cases, testing, quality >>>>>>>>>>>> control, raw >>>>>>>>>>>> materials sourcing, tooling, etc. They don't just walk up to a >>>>>>>>>>>> machine and >>>>>>>>>>>> push the "make me door seals for a 123" button. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Think about how you buy your parts...are you supporting the system >>>>>>>>>>>> by >>>>>>>>>>>> buying from MB genuine? Or are you looking for the cheapest >>>>>>>>>>>> possible >>>>>>>>>>>> source regardless of quality? Then complaining when MB support is >>>>>>>>>>>> gone... >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Owners of the 60s cars are happy to pay for parts as the value of >>>>>>>>>>>> their >>>>>>>>>>>> cars are increasing. MB responds by making parts available. >>>>>>>>>>>> (Like 4.5 >>>>>>>>>>>> engine mounts, NLA for a few years, now available again with a new >>>>>>>>>>>> supplier). >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> 90s car support brings up another issue: electronics. If the >>>>>>>>>>>> chips don't >>>>>>>>>>>> exist to buy anymore, its simply impossible to make the parts. >>>>>>>>>>>> Period. >>>>>>>>>>>> But as the value and demand for these cars increases on the >>>>>>>>>>>> collector >>>>>>>>>>>> market, you will see more solutions appear. If your goal is to >>>>>>>>>>>> keep your >>>>>>>>>>>> beater on the road as long as possible and cheap as possible, >>>>>>>>>>>> you're not >>>>>>>>>>>> the target market for these solutions. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Sep 1, 2022 at 10:03 AM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes < >>>>>>>>>>>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> How long ago was that? Now days you can’t even get door seals for >>>>>>>>>>>>> 123 >>>>>>>>>>>>> coupes. A lot of 124 parts are now unavailable. Many of the ACC >>>>>>>>>>>>> vacuum pods >>>>>>>>>>>>> are NLA. As previously mentioned you can no longer get 123 oil >>>>>>>>>>>>> coolers or >>>>>>>>>>>>> 126 SDL radiators. Vin coded ignition tumblers for 123 124 and >>>>>>>>>>>>> 126 are NLA. >>>>>>>>>>>>> Perhaps they want to support very old cars or very new cars, but >>>>>>>>>>>>> middle >>>>>>>>>>>>> aged 123-126 they don’t care about. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sep 1, 2022, at 7:57 AM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes < >>>>>>>>>>>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Very true. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> When I was “restoring” the 65 220SEb I was constantly amazed at >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>> parts I could still get from Mercedes, and in most cases, how >>>>>>>>>>>>> relatively >>>>>>>>>>>>> inexpensive they were. For instance, I could still get a lot of >>>>>>>>>>>>> rubber >>>>>>>>>>>>> parts, both seals and suspension. A full set of bushings for the >>>>>>>>>>>>> rear swing >>>>>>>>>>>>> arms were less than $100. New front/rear springs, $110/each. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> The left front spring was really bad on that car, so bad that >>>>>>>>>>>>>> corner of >>>>>>>>>>>>> the car was a good 2” low. Dealer checks on them and none in >>>>>>>>>>>>> stock, but not >>>>>>>>>>>>> NLA. Turns out, they had run out of inventory and were waiting on >>>>>>>>>>>>> a new >>>>>>>>>>>>> order. So they were still sourcing these things over 50 year >>>>>>>>>>>>> after the car >>>>>>>>>>>>> was built! >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> -D >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sep 1, 2022, at 4:27 AM, Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes < >>>>>>>>>>>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Try getting parts for 50s and 60s cars. You'd be amazed how >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> easy it is. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You have to be creative in this business to find parts, but >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> having a >>>>>>>>>>>>> source >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like the classic center is pretty amazing overall. It's pretty >>>>>>>>>>>>> remarkable >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what they do have. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For example, I just bought a vacuum pod for the distributor of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a 300SEL >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3.5. Pretty obscure part, still available, under $100. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Is it perfect, no of course not, but be thankful they put so >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> much effort >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> into it, its still pretty special. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jaime >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 31, 2022 at 7:31 PM David Bruckmann via Mercedes < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I agree re; NLA parts. And not just obscure stuff, but for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> example the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> window regulator kit (the little nylon disc and clip) is NLA. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Which is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nuts. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kaleb Striplin wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But they do not have anything that a normal dealer could not >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> order? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Correct? The number of common parts that are becoming NLA is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> alarming. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 31, 2022, at 4:32 PM, Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ?The classic center is alive and well, and even just moved >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> into a new >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (much >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> larger) facility inside the Long Beach VPC. Tom retired >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> months ago, >>>>>>>>>>>>> but >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hes still active online. I get parts deliveries all the time >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from >>>>>>>>>>>>> them, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> still excellent service and loads of parts in stock. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jaime >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 31, 2022 at 4:16 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have not heard that. I don?t think the classic center >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> really does >>>>>>>>>>>>> much >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anymore anyway does it? They only have the same parts any >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other >>>>>>>>>>>>> dealer >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as far as I know. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 31, 2022, at 3:14 PM, David Bruckmann via Mercedes < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ?I may be late to the party, but I recently learned that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tom Hanson >>>>>>>>>>>>> has >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> retired from the MB Classic Center. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jaime Kopchinski 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