Yes the FCP part says it needs programming. But it's also 3x the price of the part MB Covington listed. Are they really the same thing?
https://www.mbofcovington.com/parts/order-parts.htm?path=%2Fsearch%3Fsearch_str%3D000270260080 On Thu, Sep 1, 2022, at 12:48, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes wrote: > The part is sourced from MB. Only way to get a new one. But it is > “virgin “ and has no programming. You have to get MB or some third > party to clone it. > > --FT > Sent from iFōn > >> On Sep 1, 2022, at 1:21 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes >> <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >> >> Good point. However, MB of Covington does have a phone number and will talk >> to you about parts and applications over the phone. >> >> Interesting that they consider the conductor plate a theft relevant part. >> I’ll have to ask my dealer guys/gals about this. I wonder how FCP buys this >> if that’s truly the case? >> >> -D >> >>> On Sep 1, 2022, at 10:09 AM, Allan Streib via Mercedes >>> <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >>> >>> So this is an interesting example. Just as a random trial I went to >>> mbofcovington.comn parts page and selected 2008 E350 "Base" model as my car >>> and tried to find a transmission conductor plate. I'm sure it's in there, >>> but I could not find it by searching for "conductor plate" or "conductor" >>> or by the menu navigation. >>> >>> On FCPEuro I found it easily by selecting that vehicle and searhing for >>> "conductor plate" and it lists it as "Genuine Mercedes" for $949. >>> >>> https://www.fcpeuro.com/products/mercedes-transmission-conductor-plate-genuine-mercedes-0002702600 >>> >>> Then I went back to MB Covington and searched for the SKU number >>> (000270260080) that FCP Euro gave me. It came up with an entry called >>> "Automatic Transmission Valve Body" that "Does not fit your 2008 Mercedes >>> Benz E350" and is also "This item is considered a theft relevant part and >>> is not available for purchase online. Please contact your local dealer for >>> more information." List price is $369 for this "remanufactured" part. >>> >>> So, as a non-professional customer, the FCPEuro experience is way better. >>> I'm not even sure I'm finding the right part on MB Covington. >>> >>> >>>> On Thu, Sep 1, 2022, at 11:40, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote: >>>> I totally understand this. >>>> >>>> However, if you’re buying online, there are any number of RevParts >>>> dealers (dealers who sell parts online) that sell with very good >>>> discount models making OE parts pretty darned cheap, relatively >>>> speaking. And I’m addressing OE parts, not OEM parts that you can buy >>>> from a third party seller like FCPEuro. >>>> >>>> For example, I bought the driver’s side exterior mirror guts for my >>>> ML550. List was around $500, my dealer’s price to me was around $375, >>>> MB of Covington wanted $250 + about $17 to ship. Easy decision. >>>> >>>> Same with a right side exterior mirror cover. List about $300, my >>>> dealer about $200, MB of Covington was like $140 + $17 shipping. >>>> >>>> Dealers use different discount structures. Some discount “down” from >>>> MSRP, or list price. Others, like Covington, mark “up" from their cost. >>>> As cost varies wildly depending on the part and other factors you can >>>> often get a much better deal working with an online dealer like MB of >>>> Covington who marks up from cost. >>>> >>>> -D >>>> >>>> >>>>> On Sep 1, 2022, at 9:24 AM, Allan Streib via Mercedes >>>>> <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> All well and good if you have a dealership where you can walk in and talk >>>>> to people. I am 75 miles from an MB dealer, and it's not anywere I go on >>>>> a regular basis otherwise. >>>>> >>>>> I used to buy parts from Rusty back in the day. I think he had a dealer >>>>> relationship where he could get OE parts when WorldPac didn't carry the >>>>> OEM equivalent? These days I use FCPEuro because the website and service >>>>> is great, they warranty everything they sell for life, and they actually >>>>> honor that warranty without me jumping through hoops. If FCPEuro didn't >>>>> have a part, I guess I'd start looking at dealer websites. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Sep 1, 2022, at 11:11, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote: >>>>>> Depending on what the part is, the discount model that MB of Covington >>>>>> uses usually makes it a wash or slightly less than my local dealer due >>>>>> to sales taxes. However, I discussed this with my dealer a few weeks >>>>>> ago and they said they would match Covington’s price for me, so in the >>>>>> future I’ll price check using Covington and then go to my local dealer. >>>>>> >>>>>> Maybe it’s an anomaly, but my dealer empowers their employees to make >>>>>> the deal to get a sale. That’s really great for both of us, because >>>>>> they get the business and I get the best price. >>>>>> >>>>>> -D >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sep 1, 2022, at 9:00 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes >>>>>>> <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I would probably buy a lot more dealer parts if my dealer was not a rip >>>>>>> off. The shipping from the online places usually ends up being too >>>>>>> much. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Sep 1, 2022, at 10:22 AM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes >>>>>>>> <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I think the point is, “How many of those parts are you buying from >>>>>>>> the dealer?” OEM won’t make a difference. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I mean, I even buy my soft parts such as filters and such for the >>>>>>>> dealer in most cases. They’re maybe 10% more, but it’s an OE part, >>>>>>>> which certainly has value. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -D >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Sep 1, 2022, at 8:04 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes >>>>>>>>> <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> My goal is not to keep a beater on the road as cheap as possible >>>>>>>>> although some cars that come they might fit that description. All of >>>>>>>>> my drivers are properly maintained with OE or OEM parts. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Sep 1, 2022, at 9:15 AM, Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes >>>>>>>>>>> <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Is not that they "don't care about" them, its simply a matter of >>>>>>>>>> suppliers >>>>>>>>>> no longer willing to make the parts and not finding a cost effective >>>>>>>>>> replacement. If there is a demand, they will try to find a solution. >>>>>>>>>> They're a business, not a parts charity. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Next complaint will be that reworked replacement parts are too >>>>>>>>>> expensive. >>>>>>>>>> It takes significant resources to manufacture any parts for any car, >>>>>>>>>> new or >>>>>>>>>> old. Engineers, purchasing, business cases, testing, quality >>>>>>>>>> control, raw >>>>>>>>>> materials sourcing, tooling, etc. They don't just walk up to a >>>>>>>>>> machine and >>>>>>>>>> push the "make me door seals for a 123" button. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Think about how you buy your parts...are you supporting the system by >>>>>>>>>> buying from MB genuine? Or are you looking for the cheapest possible >>>>>>>>>> source regardless of quality? Then complaining when MB support is >>>>>>>>>> gone... >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Owners of the 60s cars are happy to pay for parts as the value of >>>>>>>>>> their >>>>>>>>>> cars are increasing. MB responds by making parts available. (Like >>>>>>>>>> 4.5 >>>>>>>>>> engine mounts, NLA for a few years, now available again with a new >>>>>>>>>> supplier). >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> 90s car support brings up another issue: electronics. If the chips >>>>>>>>>> don't >>>>>>>>>> exist to buy anymore, its simply impossible to make the parts. >>>>>>>>>> Period. >>>>>>>>>> But as the value and demand for these cars increases on the collector >>>>>>>>>> market, you will see more solutions appear. If your goal is to keep >>>>>>>>>> your >>>>>>>>>> beater on the road as long as possible and cheap as possible, you're >>>>>>>>>> not >>>>>>>>>> the target market for these solutions. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Sep 1, 2022 at 10:03 AM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes < >>>>>>>>>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> How long ago was that? Now days you can’t even get door seals for >>>>>>>>>>> 123 >>>>>>>>>>> coupes. A lot of 124 parts are now unavailable. Many of the ACC >>>>>>>>>>> vacuum pods >>>>>>>>>>> are NLA. As previously mentioned you can no longer get 123 oil >>>>>>>>>>> coolers or >>>>>>>>>>> 126 SDL radiators. Vin coded ignition tumblers for 123 124 and 126 >>>>>>>>>>> are NLA. >>>>>>>>>>> Perhaps they want to support very old cars or very new cars, but >>>>>>>>>>> middle >>>>>>>>>>> aged 123-126 they don’t care about. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Sep 1, 2022, at 7:57 AM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes < >>>>>>>>>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Very true. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> When I was “restoring” the 65 220SEb I was constantly amazed at the >>>>>>>>>>> parts I could still get from Mercedes, and in most cases, how >>>>>>>>>>> relatively >>>>>>>>>>> inexpensive they were. For instance, I could still get a lot of >>>>>>>>>>> rubber >>>>>>>>>>> parts, both seals and suspension. A full set of bushings for the >>>>>>>>>>> rear swing >>>>>>>>>>> arms were less than $100. New front/rear springs, $110/each. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> The left front spring was really bad on that car, so bad that >>>>>>>>>>>> corner of >>>>>>>>>>> the car was a good 2” low. Dealer checks on them and none in stock, >>>>>>>>>>> but not >>>>>>>>>>> NLA. Turns out, they had run out of inventory and were waiting on a >>>>>>>>>>> new >>>>>>>>>>> order. So they were still sourcing these things over 50 year after >>>>>>>>>>> the car >>>>>>>>>>> was built! >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> -D >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sep 1, 2022, at 4:27 AM, Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes < >>>>>>>>>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Try getting parts for 50s and 60s cars. You'd be amazed how easy >>>>>>>>>>>>> it is. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> You have to be creative in this business to find parts, but >>>>>>>>>>>>> having a >>>>>>>>>>> source >>>>>>>>>>>>> like the classic center is pretty amazing overall. It's pretty >>>>>>>>>>> remarkable >>>>>>>>>>>>> what they do have. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> For example, I just bought a vacuum pod for the distributor of a >>>>>>>>>>>>> 300SEL >>>>>>>>>>>>> 3.5. Pretty obscure part, still available, under $100. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Is it perfect, no of course not, but be thankful they put so much >>>>>>>>>>>>> effort >>>>>>>>>>>>> into it, its still pretty special. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Jaime >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 31, 2022 at 7:31 PM David Bruckmann via Mercedes < >>>>>>>>>>>>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I agree re; NLA parts. And not just obscure stuff, but for >>>>>>>>>>>>>> example the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> window regulator kit (the little nylon disc and clip) is NLA. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Which is >>>>>>>>>>>>>> nuts. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kaleb Striplin wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> But they do not have anything that a normal dealer could not >>>>>>>>>>>>>> order? >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Correct? The number of common parts that are becoming NLA is >>>>>>>>>>>>>> alarming. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 31, 2022, at 4:32 PM, Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes < >>>>>>>>>>>>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ?The classic center is alive and well, and even just moved into >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a new >>>>>>>>>>>>>> (much >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> larger) facility inside the Long Beach VPC. Tom retired months >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ago, >>>>>>>>>>> but >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hes still active online. I get parts deliveries all the time >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from >>>>>>>>>>> them, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> still excellent service and loads of parts in stock. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jaime >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 31, 2022 at 4:16 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have not heard that. I don?t think the classic center really >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> does >>>>>>>>>>> much >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anymore anyway does it? They only have the same parts any other >>>>>>>>>>> dealer >>>>>>>>>>>>>> has >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as far as I know. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 31, 2022, at 3:14 PM, David Bruckmann via Mercedes < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ?I may be late to the party, but I recently learned that Tom >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hanson >>>>>>>>>>> has >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> retired from the MB Classic Center. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________ >>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>> Jaime Kopchinski >>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.jaimekop.com/ >>>>>>>>>>>>> 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