Yes, we're "OT" No flame suit necessary. I agree in part...within any litter you will have dogs with more "drive" than others, but more important, as you allude to is what the breed has been bred for over the years. If you have a specific need, then MORE THAN LIKELY you should have a pick a breed bred for that purpose. Your Doberman is a good example. Another: while German Shepherds were originally bred from sheep-herding dogs AND were originally designed as a breed to herd sheep AND they are still used as sheep herding dogs, a good border collie is a better choice - they are excellent herders. Also agree that it annoys me when breeders start tampering with working dogs and breeding for charachteristics not consistent with the breed standard/what the breed is for. If you want a lap dog, there are plenty to choose from, you don't need to make up your own. Good example of a "smart" new breed is the Labradoodle. Cross between Labrador retriever and a poodle. THe point being is that they work as "service dogs" (getting stuff for disbled) who are allergic to dogs (poodles don't shed!). That is pretty ingenious. The seeing eye dog breeding program is quite amazing and is run by seeing eye organizations. Those dogs are bred very meticulously to cultivate their proclivity to do what they will be trained to do. Anke - actually chose that name before I saw the books from the Monks of New Skete. Looked through German dog names and just liked it. I've run into a few Anka's since then, but always with an a on the end. There is a famous German comedienne named Anke Engelke. Chris (typing) & Anke (chewing compressed pork hide chewey, yum!)
Zoltan Finks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Yeah. I won't get too into it ... well, we do have this labeled OT so I won't worry ... but I think that any well-bred, well-trained doggie with *the natural BENT for the work chosen for it* can compete with any other breed in the service-type tasks. I empasize the bent because I want to point out that people don't often understand that when they see, for instance, a very nice seeing eye dog, that it's NOT all training. That dog was chosen as a young pup based upon its individual personality. And among any litter, you probably know, personalities vary. They only choose the most docile, steady and, yes, the least (what I call) spirited ones. (And boy do I have a spirited one!) The folks know from experience that these pups have the lowest proclivity to dashing after squirrels, or getting too excited when a kid runs up to it, or a big truck dashes by curbside. Or to get too excited about anything really. Conversely, if you want a Schutzhund or police dog, or a nice hunter, or a nice herder, you'll want the pups that are a bit more nutso. And yes, as it was mentioned, the GSDs are commonly considered the best *overall* in terms of a wide variety of tasks combined, hence the moniker "super dog". But while I admire Alsatians, they don't qute give me what I want, hence my sleek, short-haired choice. A good Dobermann, while not a "super dog" is in the opinion of many experts, the ultimate personal bodyguard (it's the only breed whose sole purpose in being designed was to guard its owner at night) (which by the way is why those who breed for "exotic" colors are doing the breed so wrong, as are those who are breeding for a docile, resigning wallflower - if that's what you want, go breed Cavaliers). Hmm too much Thanksgiving feasting - my flame suit is a bit tight going on. Oh, and Chris, Is Anka's name inspired from the Monks of New Skete books? Must haves - those books. Brian Chris wrote: BUT I must say that I have the most admiration for all the true working breeds - herding dogs, retreivers (which make better service dogs than German Shepherds becuase their main job is to retrieve stuff for handicapped people all day long - although GSD's do a good job, labs are just better). _______________________________________ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Christopher McCann, Squier Park, Kansas City, Missouri -2006 GSD, "Anke" -1985 300SD, 217K, "Wulf" -1982 300Dt, 117K, "little blue klatter box" -1971 Case 222 Hydrive, "One Banger" --------------------------------- Want to start your own business? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business. From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sat Nov 25 23:12:38 2006 Received: from modus.truenet.com ([66.252.96.11]) by server8.arterytc8.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1Go6hK-0004tO-D7 for mercedes@okiebenz.com; Sat, 25 Nov 2006 23:12:38 +0000 Received: from your03667082de (unverified [71.58.119.30]) by modus.truenet.com (Vircom SMTPRS 4.4.543.6) with ESMTP id <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> for <mercedes@okiebenz.com>; Sat, 25 Nov 2006 18:09:58 -0500 X-Modus-BlackList: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Modus-Audit: FALSE;0;0;0 Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" <mercedes@okiebenz.com> References: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]><[EMAIL PROTECTED]><[EMAIL PROTECTED]><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2006 18:09:56 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus Subject: Re: [MBZ] Non MB Diesel Question X-BeenThere: mercedes@okiebenz.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9.cp1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com> List-Id: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes_okiebenz.com.okiebenz.com> List-Unsubscribe: <http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com>, <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> List-Archive: </pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com> List-Post: <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com> List-Help: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> List-Subscribe: <http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com>, <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2006 23:12:38 -0000 thanks Dave/Tom ----- Original Message ----- From: "dave walton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" <mercedes@okiebenz.com> Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2006 2:13 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Non MB Diesel Question >I bought an 84 240 in 85. It lasted ~10 years before it rusted away. > The manual transmission had a bolt on electronic overdrive that gave > you a 5th gear when you pressed the little square button on top of the > gear shift knob. Reminded me of the James Bond ejector seat. Had to > replace the leaking front crankshaft seal somewhere around year 8 or > so. Easy to work on. Very simple design. No fancy electronics. Mirrors > and windows were all manual on my base model. The diesels of that > vintage were 6 cylinders and thus had a 260 designation on the title, > but were not labeled as such on the vehicle. A friend had one. You > needed a tailwind and steep hill to get the thing past 80 mph. > > -Dave Walton > 87SDL, 94S350, 99E300 > > On 11/24/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Are the Volvo 240 series a good car? I think they are 4 cylinders. I >> seem >> to recall these being one of the high mileage gassers >> >> Friend of mine is looking around 1983-1989 vintage. >> >> Are they easy to work on? Any stories? >> >> Regards Tom Scordato >> Bellefonte PA >> 1979 240D >> >> >> >> _______________________________________ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ >> For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > > _______________________________________ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >
