Werner wrote:<<you're treading on some soft ground when you question the
rights of patients in VA hospitals.  Remember the old saying "they also
serve who wait"?>>

I agree with you Werner - in fact, I believe the % of those who actually see combat is around 20% (or it was during WW2) with the remaining 80% preforming support duties to keep them fighting.

Also, regardless of who gets shot at or not, they *all* suffer from very low pay (many enlisted men with families survive only because they qualify for food stamps) - and an incessant training schedule. They are working 24./7 for the most part - and when they get called overseas they may be there for a long time without "time off".

Only those who's injury/illness/disease can be attributed to their time in service can be treated in a VA hospital. If anyone ever wants to do something for those who keep us free I suggest you visit some of those in the VA - it will break your heart and you will likely be the only one visiting many of the patients. Then there are patients whose family shows up on the day his monthly check arrives then are not seen again until next month. My wife worked as a RN at our local VA hospital - in the long term care floor and on the spinal care unit where some have help breathing with a "sigh" button - the button is pressed ocasionally and the machine sighs for the patient - something that's needed once in a while although those of us healthy enough to do it for ourselves seldom notice it. She was burned out after 2 years and had to take time off before finding work elsewhere ---

Anyone receiving health care in a VA hospital isn't very  "lucky".

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Werner Fehlauer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 11:10 PM
Subject: [MBZ] OT - VA medical care


OK Don - IMO, you're treading on some soft ground when you question the
rights of patients in VA hospitals.  Remember the old saying "they also
serve who wait"? There were a lot of veterans of WW2, Korea, RVN, or later conflicts that were either fortunate not to be shot at, or were assigned to duties that kept them "safer". It wasn't always their own call as to where
they served, but they all contributed to the effort, and have a right to
share in what meager benefits that our forgetful citizens have allowed. All
veterans had their personal lives interrupted, careers changed, and some
were injured, maimed, or killed.  I don't think we are wise enough to say
who qualifies for medical care.

Werner, WB2BRB

----- Original Message ----- From: "OK Don" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 8:44 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Quality vs Toyota


Don't forget those who never left the States, got the GI bill, went to
college, paid the bright youngsters to do their homework, cried over
having to take the tests, graduated (barely), and expected to be
handed a high paying job (never got it), and are now filling the halls
of the VA hospitals getting free medical care. I figure we way over
paid for that.
I have no problem with those how saw combat - we can't do enogh for
them. But to do the same for everyone who ended up in the armed
service?
May his noodly appendage do a little more than touch!

On 1/16/07, Redghost <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
At least those who were able to succeed on government largesse in our
generation with GI Bill, had to dodge bullets or maybe put lives on the
line.  I figure the gummint got off easy on that debt.  And some even
brought home a tri star when returning from deployment.


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OK Don, KD5NRO
Norman, OK


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