I do think that adopting a shelter dog is a wonderful thing to do. 3-4 million dogs are euthanized in the US every year, which is a terrible shame. However, it is NOT the only ethical way to acquire a dog. Serious breeders, who are not in it for money, but to continually improve the breed are a great benefit to dogdom and to society. Many dogs are working dogs - they have jobs. If everyone bought from shelters and stopped buying purebred dogs, these breeds would be gone. Herding dogs for farmers, flock protection dogs for ranchers, hunting dogs for all types of hunting, German Shepherds alone are suited to SOOOO many useful tasks: seeing eye dogs, police work, seizure detection, blood sugar "reminder" dogs for diabetics (they smell your sugar level and poke your tummy when you need to eat)....many more example could be given. Critter Control in Kansas City uses terriers for their original purpose - killing rats in your house! The various qualities of working breeds must be retained, LITERALLY for the good of society. It's not by accident that dogs were domesticated over 7,000 years ago and have been an important part of society since. They are not just fluffy moving decorations/toys. It used to be that dogs were primarily to do a job. Now most are companions (which is a job too, but different). If you want a companion dog, yeah, seriously check out the local shelter. But to say this is the only ethical way to get a dog is rediculous. I think your concern is much better channelled into encouraging people who have NO BUSINESS breeding dogs to have theirs neutered and spayed. Most dogs end up in shelters because of obedience problems...99% of the time it's the owners fault. In Kansas City, we have a great and inexpensive dog obedience school whose mission is to train owners so that they have well behaved dogs that do not end up in shelters. Chris
andrew strasfogel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: There is only one ethical way to choose a dog breed: adopt your pet from the local humane society shelter! There are a plethora of sizes, breeds and temperaments to choose from, and the modest adoption fee goes to a good cause. That's where we found Woby, a Tibetan Terrier who had the highest bark to size ratio of any dog in existence to go with his woebegone expression. On 2/7/07, Zoltan Finks wrote: > > Yes, I would remind that breeds certainly do vary within a breed. The > poorer, or the less-focused the breeding program, the more the variance. I > include in the category of less-focused those that breed for pets and not > for the particular purpose for which the breed was developed. Yes, there > are > breeds that were developed for no purpose other than to be a pet, and it > is > harder to find actual proof of the puppy's quality in these cases. > > As Chris said, there are puppy tests that judge temperament, though I've > found a lot of breeders get offended if you offer to administer them. Most > breeders that think highly of their program will tell you what's up rather > than have you tell them anything. Most of the time, at least in the case > of > working kennels, the breeder will profile you and decide which pup is the > best match for you. > > Research and attend dog shows or performance events pertaining to the > breed > you are interested in. People are usually more than happy to tell you the > good and the bad about the breed unless they are getting ready for their > ring time. However, they are much less willing to speak of who is a good > or > bad breeder. Meeting the dam and sire are pretty useful, though certainly > no > guarantee. > > Brian > > > Chris wrote: > breeds certainly have unique temperments/personalities and qualities, but > temperment also varies widely within each breed. > _______________________________________ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > _______________________________________ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com --------------------------------- Don't be flakey. Get Yahoo! Mail for Mobile and always stay connected to friends. From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wed Feb 07 16:06:56 2007 Received: from rwcrmhc13.comcast.net ([204.127.192.83]) by server8.arterytc8.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) id 1HEpJw-000554-St for mercedes@okiebenz.com; Wed, 07 Feb 2007 16:06:56 +0000 Received: from rmailcenter74.comcast.net ([204.127.197.156]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc13) with SMTP id <20070207160615m1300do7b7e>; Wed, 7 Feb 2007 16:06:15 +0000 Received: from [208.27.111.119] by rmailcenter74.comcast.net; Wed, 07 Feb 2007 16:06:13 +0000 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com> Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2007 16:06:13 +0000 Message-Id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 4 2006) X-Authenticated-Sender: andyZWFtZXNAY29tY2FzdC5uZXQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9.cp2 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Are these legit workshop manual CDs? X-BeenThere: mercedes@okiebenz.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9.cp2 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com> List-Id: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes_okiebenz.com.okiebenz.com> List-Unsubscribe: <http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com>, <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> List-Archive: <http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com> List-Post: <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com> List-Help: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> List-Subscribe: <http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com>, <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2007 16:06:57 -0000 The car is a 300D, we don't have a garage, so it sits by the curb. It was 8 F (-14 C?) and had not been plugged in at all, should the 5-10 second crank before still hold true? The fuel is from the same location as the OM606 that started without issue, the GP relay was replaced within the past 14 mos (due to the old one being filled with water--the O-ring between the two halves of the unit was broken along the side where it mounts, so it could pull in water via cappilary action), and the GP's were replaced shortly before the relay. I suspect a couple of valves may be tight. I put the battery on charge (but did not plug in the block heater) and went out ~8-10 hours later, when it was up to 18 F and it did start, although it did require cranking while firing (approx 20-30 secs) until it ran smoothly. I'm going to check the valves this weekend. -j. ------------- Original message -------------- From: "Werner Fehlauer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > I would think that an engine requiring more than 5-10 seconds of cranking is > in need of something else - like properly operating glow plugs, or ungelled > or not ice-blocked fuel. I'm assuming you've been regularly putting decent > fuel in the tank, so that should be winterized in this zone; that leaves > glow plugs - fuses, controls, and lastly, the plugs themselves. > From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wed Feb 07 16:17:21 2007 Received: from web32802.mail.mud.yahoo.com ([68.142.206.32]) by server8.arterytc8.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) id 1HEpU1-0005kZ-6m for mercedes@okiebenz.com; Wed, 07 Feb 2007 16:17:21 +0000 Received: (qmail 29582 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Feb 2007 16:16:35 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 6tK3i7cVM1lkQgeXaLJi45ESn.b3UECrdgzchi7jCxOuziePOZJHnpl9n7jGpY1lXQ-- Received: from [198.51.119.130] by web32802.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 07 Feb 2007 08:16:35 PST Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 08:16:35 -0800 (PST) From: Curt Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Diesel List <mercedes@okiebenz.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9.cp2 Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Global Warming rebuttal X-BeenThere: mercedes@okiebenz.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9.cp2 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com> List-Id: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes_okiebenz.com.okiebenz.com> List-Unsubscribe: <http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com>, <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> List-Archive: <http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com> List-Post: <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com> List-Help: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> List-Subscribe: <http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com>, <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2007 16:17:22 -0000 Ironicly the more expensive bulbs seem much more fragile. I'd bought some $20 Phillips bulbs 7 or 8 years ago, the one in my bedside lamp is still fine. One I'd put in an overhead fixture in the kitchen of my apartment only lasted maybe 2 years. Now I buy the cheapest CF bulbs I can get, they're like $1-$2 and seem to last pretty good although I don't track very closely. As electricity prices rise they'll pay for themselves more quickly. I seriously doubt electric prices will go back down... -Curt Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2007 09:34:25 -0500 From: Allan Streib <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Global Warming rebuttal To: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Curt Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I replace incadescent lightbulbs with cf. What's your experience with this? I started doing this, and found that they don't last any longer than incandescent, and are much more expensive, so I stopped. With the lifespans I've experienced, I doubt that the savings in electricity is going to offset the premium I paid for the bulb (though I haven't actually done the math). Plus don't they contain mercury? What do you do with them when they burn out. -- 1983 300D 1966 230 --------------------------------- Looking for earth-friendly autos? Browse Top Cars by "Green Rating" at Yahoo! Autos' Green Center. From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wed Feb 07 16:17:36 2007 Received: from host337.ipowerweb.com ([72.22.69.22]) by server8.arterytc8.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) id 1HEpUG-0005lT-Tj for mercedes@okiebenz.com; Wed, 07 Feb 2007 16:17:36 +0000 Received: (qmail 70158 invoked from network); 7 Feb 2007 16:09:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (206.109.43.202) by host337.ipowerweb.com with SMTP; 7 Feb 2007 16:09:35 -0000 Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2007 10:17:16 -0600 From: Rich Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com> References: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> In-Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus Subject: Re: [MBZ] argh, Wimmins! X-BeenThere: mercedes@okiebenz.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9.cp2 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com> List-Id: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes_okiebenz.com.okiebenz.com> List-Unsubscribe: <http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com>, <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> List-Archive: <http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com> List-Post: <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com> List-Help: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> List-Subscribe: <http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com>, <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2007 16:17:37 -0000 Wrong. I think "Wimmin" is the singular of womyn, which is the plural, I think. No matter, the same rules apply. You are wrong and it is your fault for 1) not fixing the truck, 2) having the truck, 3) not understanding, 4) IT JUST IS. --R >
