On Tuesday, May 04, 2010 12:49:50 pm Sean Phelan wrote: > Phil, > > > This is all part of the Wal*Marting of America. We're exporting all > > jobs except for the very top executives. An economy can't survive > > > with only people flipping burgers to each other. Please write to your > > congresscritter and your senators, and demand an immediate > > > end to the H-1B visa program. It has been fraudulent from the very > > beginning -- there never was a tech worker shortage; it was all > > > contrived to bring in foreign workers and break our wages. Consider > > doing like I'm going to do from now on, and never vote for > > > anyone on the democrat or republican line -- only third party > > candidates. The two entrenched parties need to be destroyed, and > > > something less corrupt brought in to replace them. Think about it! > > There may be many good reasons to kick the bums out, but job loss in > knowledge work fields is not one them. This is the free market at work - > and I hate to be on the losing end of it, but I understand the why just > fine. > > Someone in India can go to college, study hard, come out with some > math/programming experience, and work for an American company for a nice > wage (by Indian standards), although much less than a comparable American > gets. > > Why/when does this work? When the cutural distinction of actually BEING an > American doesn't add any value. > > Exporting Call Centers has been a bit of a flop, and sales will likely not > go over well. Graphic design can go if the American client isn't too > picky about their tastes. > > Programming/webdev can go when the specs are simple and straightforward - > ie, write a Joomla/drupal/wordpress plugin that does XYZ, or take a PSD > web mockup and turn it into actual HTML/CSS, or troubleshoot why 2 > browsers show the same page differently. > > The only way for us to survive is to bring more value to the table. > Remember, WE can also hire these same offshore guys to work for us and > bring down OUR costs, while delivering a valuable service to our clients. > > Slippery slope, I know, but not one we can really change while America is > rich and other educated/english-speaking/educated countries are not. > > Could we stop it? Not without changing the country. I'd rather see us > focus on bringing back food production (quality issues) and lower-end > manufacturing (China is poisoning it's peasants to send us cheap plastic), > not strictly for economic reasons. > > ERIC ... back to your original query, don't let me discourage you, of > course! Has anyone mentioned the possibility of doing cell phone support > for end users? As the smart phones get more complicated, I think this > will be a growing field, and noone out there is truly qualified to do it > right now. Computer techs can do some, but this is as much about business > automation (making sure the address books sync up with the CRM system, > etc) > > The other possibilities that come to mind are AC programming - the big > climate-control systems have to be programmed, and that would dovetail > nicely with your electrical backgroung. > > Another one is home theater and home networking - simple stuff, package it > for $200-300 installed, keep it wireless so the install is easy, and you > could get some volume ... even train a 19-year-old to do some of the > installs for you while you sell and plan. > > Good luck! > > Sp > > Sean Phelan > > VIRTUssist.com - Outsourced Administrative, Marketing, and Secretarial > support <http://www.VIRTUssist.com/> > http://www.sqcn.com - Web Development & Management by Sequoia Consulting > (321)698-7987 > > On 5/4/2010 11:14 AM, Phil M Perry wrote: > > On 5/3/2010 10:37 PM, Michael Quick wrote: > >> Another thing, an employer "trick" is to list everything under the > >> sun "required" for the job so they can claim you do not meet them > >> all. Then they can offer you less money. Hence it's prudent to be > >> knowledgeable and explain that to employers, but I wouldn't try to > >> bolster or actually meet them all. > > > > Actually, it's worse than that. It's a wide open secret in the Tech > > world that the proper way to recruit is to load up the requirements > > with anything plausibly related to the position. No one can honestly > > state that they meet /all/ the requirements (except for those > > currently or formerly employed at that company), which gives the > > employer the opening to say "no Americans can meet these job > > requirements, so we need to get an Indian on an H-1B visa". All > > Indian staffing agencies are liars -- the stated skill set consists of > > reading a book on the subject on the flight over -- but by the time > > the employer discovers that, it's too late for them to back out. > > Besides, H-1Bs work for sweatshop wages, so employers can afford the > > lower productivity or even have to hire two workers, and they still > > come out ahead. No employer is willing to take a good, productive > > American worker and spend a week training them in the specific > > software the company uses -- they have to be skilled and ready to go > > on Day One, which is bullshit. It's just an excuse not to pay American > > workers what they're worth! > > > > This is all part of the Wal*Marting of America. We're exporting all > > jobs except for the very top executives. An economy can't survive with > > only people flipping burgers to each other. Please write to your > > congresscritter and your senators, and demand an immediate end to the > > H-1B visa program. It has been fraudulent from the very beginning -- > > there never was a tech worker shortage; it was all contrived to bring > > in foreign workers and break our wages. Consider doing like I'm going > > to do from now on, and never vote for anyone on the democrat or > > republican line -- only third party candidates. The two entrenched > > parties need to be destroyed, and something less corrupt brought in to > > replace them. Think about it! > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Mid-Hudson Valley Linux Users Group http://mhvlug.org > > http://mhvlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mhvlug > > > > Upcoming Meetings (6pm - 8pm) MHVLS Auditorium > > > > May 5 - Crack and LLVM > > Jun 2 - Android > > Jul 7 - Patent Absurdity - The Movie I Read somewhere that those customer service people who you get on tech support all have computer program degrees and are getting $2 an hour. 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