My biggest problems with Google Domains, from an implementation standpoint, are:
- Their (IMHO) aberrant behavior with distribution-groups (if I e-mail
a DG that I'm on, Google Apps decides I don't need to RECEIVE a copy of that
message. Their defense is "well, this is a hotly contested point of how DGs
should work, and my argument of "then allow it as an configurable option either
way" has fallen on deaf ears).
- A limit of 20 aliases for a given address. Their position is "if you
have more than 20, you should use a catch-all", and all references to "not
wanting to get e-mail for long-departed users" or "not wanting to get 1000s of
copies of a message in a dictionary attack", again, fall on deaf ears.
I'd probably have cut megacity.org over to it already if it weren't for those
two things. (In fact, I was in the process of a migration when I realized about
the aliases and had to call it to a screeching halt).
But, for the record, you can't trust Google. And that's not "pre-judgement"
that's from personal experience. Google looks out for Google, not you. Never
forget that.
D
On Feb 1, 2012, at 9:31 AM, Hal Cohen wrote:
> For several years we ran our own mail server at Hudson River Sloop Clearwater
> with all its attendant baby sitting, spam filtering, and other work.
>
> About 3 years ago Clearwater switched to Google Apps for Education
> (non-profits). They gave us 100 free email boxes and each user gets 25 GB of
> mail/docs storage. All the obvious advantages are there such as web access
> from anywhere, forwarding, delegation, aliases which allow a mailbox to be
> assigned to a organization position such as "EXEC" with an email address
> [email protected] (this is great when personal changes and you want email
> continuity. Most important is search on email by sender, topic, etc. Some
> of our people have abandoned the use of folders because of its power
>
> If you can't trust Google you are going to make yourself crazy. How does the
> organization know they can trust you? You are correct using the term
> "prejudice" -- you have pre-judged. Try it -- its really good.
>
> Hal
>
> On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 9:10 AM, Chris Joslyn <[email protected]>
> wrote:
> Good stuff! Thanks.
>
> I involuntarily focus on phrases like "slightly more baby sitting" and "a bit
> complicated", though. That sounds like "work" to me.
>
> I am considering Google for Nonprofits. My only hesitation grows from my
> prejudice, as in "Google" means "mostly benevolent and disturbingly
> omnispective overlord". Anyone tried that option?
>
> - Chris
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 6:40 AM, Sean Dague <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 01/31/2012 11:04 PM, Chris Joslyn wrote:
> You know the story. Boy sets up webserver. Boy helps nonprofit.
> Nonprofit wants boy to set up a mail server. It finishes somewhere with
> boy spending too much of his free time trying to read and remember how
> to do all this properly.
>
> So.
>
> I seek wisdom.
>
> Facts:
>
> Ubuntu 11.10
> Reverse DNS set up.
> Hostname set up.
> Postfix set up.
> I can send an email from the server from a command line email client.
> Good so far.
>
> Now I decide on server software. What say you? Dovecot
> <http://dovecot.org/>? Courier <http://www.courier-mta.org/>? Hormel
> herring <http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/mislead>? Something else?
>
> I went with Dovecot, after 2 hours of getting no where with Courier. Dovecot
> was much more straight forward on my Ubuntu Linode (which is still 10.04, but
> I don't think a lot will have changed).
>
> The linode guides are always quite good, so I'd start there for the parts you
> haven't done yet (and double check the ones you have) -
> http://library.linode.com/email/postfix
>
> I also saw this fly by the other day, which I was going to read through to
> see if there was anything else in postfix I needed to look out for -
> http://flurdy.com/docs/postfix/index.html
>
> I have found that mail servers require slightly more baby sitting because of
> the spam problem. You'll tighten up rules the way you think you are supposed
> to, then find some pseudo legit mail getting dropped (like christmas wish
> list from a clothing company that your wife likes).
>
> I would also recommend that when you integrate spamassassin (assuming that's
> coming) to do it at the milter level, which lets spamassassin reject mail
> before delivery. There is a spamass-milter package in Ubuntu that does most
> of this for you.
>
> Postgrey, install it and mail sure it's running. That gets rid of 80% of my
> inbound mail as being invalid, which it is.
>
> -Sean
>
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