Realize though that Google's existence depends on trust. People can
take their searches and email elsewhere in a flash. The same if true of
Facebook. They know that one 120 second piece on the evening news that
the other media picks up on would put their competition back in business.
In this world, the only real product that anybody has to sell is trust.
once you lose it, you might as well pack up your gear and move on.
Notice how few times you have been short changed by a a bank ATM
machine. They have a procedure by which they can tell in less than 10
minutes that someone has been short changed. And there are ten layers
of security for every transaction. The bank knows that the ATM machine
stays in business because it's customers trust the bank to not make a
lot of mistakes, and to fix them IMMEDIATELY!!!
Mark
Robert Mark Wallace
60 Delaware Road
Newburgh, NY 12550-3802
Telephone: (8445) 566-0586
On 02/01/2012 10:39 PM, Derek J. Balling wrote:
My biggest problems with Google Domains, from an implementation
standpoint, are:
- Their (IMHO) aberrant behavior with distribution-groups (if I e-mail
a DG that I'm on, Google Apps decides I don't need to RECEIVE a copy
of that message. Their defense is "well, this is a hotly contested
point of how DGs should work, and my argument of "then allow it as an
configurable option either way" has fallen on deaf ears).
- A limit of 20 aliases for a given address. Their position is "if you
have more than 20, you should use a catch-all", and all references to
"not wanting to get e-mail for long-departed users" or "not wanting to
get 1000s of copies of a message in a dictionary attack", again, fall
on deaf ears.
I'd probably have cut megacity.org <http://megacity.org> over to it
already if it weren't for those two things. (In fact, I was in the
process of a migration when I realized about the aliases and had to
call it to a screeching halt).
But, for the record, you can't trust Google. And that's not
"pre-judgement" that's from personal experience. Google looks out for
Google, not you. Never forget that.
D
On Feb 1, 2012, at 9:31 AM, Hal Cohen wrote:
For several years we ran our own mail server at Hudson River Sloop
Clearwater with all its attendant baby sitting, spam filtering, and
other work.
About 3 years ago Clearwater switched to Google Apps for Education
(non-profits). They gave us 100 free email boxes and each user gets
25 GB of mail/docs storage. All the obvious advantages are there
such as web access from anywhere, forwarding, delegation, aliases
which allow a mailbox to be assigned to a organization position such
as "EXEC" with an email address [email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]> (this is great when personal changes and
you want email continuity. Most important is *search* on email by
sender, topic, etc. Some of our people have abandoned the use of
folders because of its power
If you can't trust Google you are going to make yourself crazy. How
does the organization know they can trust you? You are correct using
the term "prejudice" -- you have pre-judged. Try it -- its really good.
Hal
On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 9:10 AM, Chris Joslyn
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
wrote:
Good stuff! Thanks.
I involuntarily focus on phrases like "slightly more baby
sitting" and "a bit complicated", though. That sounds like
"work" to me.
I am considering Google for Nonprofits
<http://www.google.com/nonprofits/>. My only hesitation grows
from my prejudice, as in "Google" means "mostly benevolent and
disturbingly o/mnispective overlord". Anyone tried that option?/
/
/
/- Chris/
On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 6:40 AM, Sean Dague <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
On 01/31/2012 11:04 PM, Chris Joslyn wrote:
You know the story. Boy sets up webserver. Boy helps
nonprofit.
Nonprofit wants boy to set up a mail server. It finishes
somewhere with
boy spending too much of his free time trying to read and
remember how
to do all this properly.
So.
I seek wisdom.
Facts:
Ubuntu 11.10
Reverse DNS set up.
Hostname set up.
Postfix set up.
I can send an email from the server from a command line
email client.
Good so far.
Now I decide on server software. What say you? Dovecot
<http://dovecot.org/>? Courier
<http://www.courier-mta.org/>? Hormel
herring <http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/mislead>?
Something else?
I went with Dovecot, after 2 hours of getting no where with
Courier. Dovecot was much more straight forward on my Ubuntu
Linode (which is still 10.04, but I don't think a lot will
have changed).
The linode guides are always quite good, so I'd start there
for the parts you haven't done yet (and double check the ones
you have) - http://library.linode.com/email/postfix
I also saw this fly by the other day, which I was going to
read through to see if there was anything else in postfix I
needed to look out for -
http://flurdy.com/docs/postfix/index.html
I have found that mail servers require slightly more baby
sitting because of the spam problem. You'll tighten up rules
the way you think you are supposed to, then find some pseudo
legit mail getting dropped (like christmas wish list from a
clothing company that your wife likes).
I would also recommend that when you integrate spamassassin
(assuming that's coming) to do it at the milter level, which
lets spamassassin reject mail before delivery. There is a
spamass-milter package in Ubuntu that does most of this for you.
Postgrey, install it and mail sure it's running. That gets
rid of 80% of my inbound mail as being invalid, which it is.
-Sean
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