there's a club up the street (a place to go to, not something to be
bludgeoned with),
 
where people actually PAY to be tortured and abused.
 
but then again, i live on a small island off the east coast.
 
probably not representative of places, like, say, wyoming.  Isn't that
where matthew shepard chose to go to a bar?
 
Seriously though, high fructose corn syrup is put in almost everything
we can easily buy in mainstream stores.  it is not metabolized well by
the body and leads to obesity.  Using it makes money for the big food
producers, just like NOT testing cows for mad cow, makes money for the
big food producers.
 
how does this make sense?
 
read fast food nation
 
dan
 

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From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Russ
Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 11:26 AM
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Subject: Re: NMC - Healthcare Crisis Debate


OMG! People who are poor choose to be poor or are lazy?! LOL 
So people who are obese choose to be obese?

I agree that in some cases these can be true, but certainly not
universally!

Next thing we'll hear is that abused women & children choose to be.

Sigh.

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What's the government have to fear if people develop the ability to
overthrow it? If the US Regime is not doing anything wrong, they don't
have anything to worry about, right?

On Sep 25, 2009, at 5:59 AM, Casey Wheeler wrote:


        Jim is absolutly correct and probably makes the point better
than I did. Most people have health conditions due to their own choices.
Furthermore, people without ins. Don't have ins. by their own doing. The
people that "need" social healthcare are the people who are most
apathetic. We all have the freedom and choice to take this path or
another. If people make better choices, life is better/easier. Our
society has become so.... So lazy, pathetic, apathtic... Something, I
can't find the right description... Take some personal responsibility
and handle your business. 

        Casey

        Sent from my iPhone

        On Sep 25, 2009, at 8:18 AM, [email protected] wrote:
        
        

                
                I decided I must weigh in on this one after all. I do
work at the largest hospital in my immediate area, which just happens to
be the only for profit hospital in southern Arizona. My observations are
first hand, not something I've seen on TV or read about.
                 
                I don't honestly believe we have a 'healthcare' crisis.
I believe that we do have a 'wellness' crisis. More accurately, a lack
of wellness crisis. The vast majority of the patients I see in the
healthcare system are sick due to their own lifestyle choices. We have
an entire generation of citizens who think that they are owed
everything: police protection, fire protection, healthcare, etc.
Personal responsibility is way undervalued by our current culture. 
                 
                Numerous hospitalizations could be avoided entirely by
simply getting an annual physical exam where the physician has the
opportunity to catch the signals of a possible or impending issue and
take preemptive measures.  
                 
                'You are what you eat' is a manta of any good cardiac
rehab program. However, if adopted as a normal part of one's life, it
could have been what keep you out of cardiac care in the first place.
                 
                I don't think I need to point out the shift to a
sedentary lifestyle that the vast majority of people have adopted. 
                 
                Practicing wellness is hard work. Most people would much
prefer to ignore good lifestyle choices and then push the responsibility
for their well being off onto someone else. 
                 
                Jim in Tucson
                 
                 
                 
                 
                 
                 

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