> And since you are doing this with -current *ALL OVER THE PLACE* > there are instructions that if you have trouble you should upgrade > to a snapshot.
Theo, with all due respect, there are many situations where upgrading to a snapshot really isn't an option. > Those instructions to exist the noise on the list everytime we > make a change and people don't notice or understand it and suddenly > they are in over their heads Again with all due respect, should all users of OpenBSD constantly watch the development in order to be able to use it? Yes, I know: the CURRENT is not for production use, etc. etc. etc. Then again: using RELEASE is a huge pain from the perspective of a server administrator with many [often virtual] hosts to maintain. The pain is so big that it actually drove me away from using OpenBSD for almost a decade. > *even our own developers* have to do that, from time to time I'd say issues like this are the ones that prevent OpenBSD from being embraced by many otherwise potential users. It's your project and you're free to handle it as you will. You're world famoous for "being difficult" in the sense that you don't seem to much care about the opinions and experiences of the "normal" users, so it obviously doesn't make sense to try and convert you from that -- that attitude is almost as part of the trademark already. I must ask though: is it really so difficult to at least try and help people out, instead of lashing them? I'd like to keep using OpenBSD, but I keep getting headaches due to the "stick it up yours" attitude when problems arise. John, I'm getting the same problem with the amd64 version of CURRENT. Updating to a snapshot is not an option in my scenario, so I'll try and figure out how to get past the issue. Theo, I honestly do appreciate you and the work you've done not just for OpenBSD but also OpenSSH etc. I just can't understand why you're ruining the [also commercial] potential by ignoring the needs of the users and by being so god damn hostile against pretty much anyone who's not willing to humbly submit to your idea of how things should be done. -j.
