Jyri Hovila [Turvamies.fi] <jyri.hov...@turvamies.fi> wrote: > > And since you are doing this with -current *ALL OVER THE PLACE* > > there are instructions that if you have trouble you should upgrade > > to a snapshot. > > Theo, with all due respect, there are many situations where upgrading to a > snapshot really isn't an option.
Jyri, That is incorrect. The use of -current is "developer participation". Snapshots are part of the developer "conversation". They are built to ensure we aren't making mistakes, and to help get over the hump when we introduce incompatibilities which prevent build-over. Many of the peopl using them are testers helping ensure our FUTURE CODE DROP TO USERS -- which we release -- are in good shape. RELEASES are used by "users". SNAPSHOTS are used by developers, or people helping the development process. These usage patterns are DISTINCT. Everything you are saying is your DESIRE TO IMPOSE A DIFFERENT PROCESS upon the developers, which is about 100 people already doing a hard task, unlike you -- who are here carrying only "an opinion". > > Those instructions to exist the noise on the list everytime we > > make a change and people don't notice or understand it and suddenly > > they are in over their heads > > Again with all due respect, should all users of OpenBSD constantly > watch the development in order to be able to use it? > > Yes, I know: the CURRENT is not for production use, etc. etc. etc. So you know the difference, but you wish to preach to us that we should completely change our development process. You really should just shut up. > Then again: using RELEASE is a huge pain from the perspective of a > server administrator with many [often virtual] hosts to maintain. The > pain is so big that it actually drove me away from using OpenBSD for > almost a decade. Yes, life is hard. Grow up or run something else. > > *even our own developers* have to do that, from time to time > > I'd say issues like this are the ones that prevent OpenBSD from being > embraced by many otherwise potential users. You are allowed to have incorrect opinions which don't matter to us, but preaching to us is quite impolite.
