I've looked at screenshots of the EEEpc, it seems to utilise tabs, etc, and IceWm? It seems userfriendly..although alien compared to Gnome/windows/KDE
It's not such a bad concept, though, at least in my opinion. In the end, the user should decide. On Sat, 2008-05-24 at 23:31 +0200, Anton Xuereb wrote: > windows is completely different bowl of fish...we aim to give choice > to the user..the eeepc is restrictive in itself and for the major > part, no one will have an interface such as the one of the eeepc on > his desktop, which is why we should strive at getting the user > comfortable with a full blown gnome or kde system. Once that is > mastered the interface of the eeepc will be easy > > On Sat, May 24, 2008 at 11:14 PM, Jean Azzopardi > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > So might as well wash our hands of the millions who use > Windows? > > > On Sat, 2008-05-24 at 23:05 +0200, Anton Xuereb wrote: > > ofcourse, however if a user get used to the interface of the > eeepc, > > he's gonna find it hard to get used to a full blown desktop > such as > > gnome or kde > > > > > > On Sat, May 24, 2008 at 10:42 PM, Jean Azzopardi > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Pardon me, but I don't think that's particularly > important. > > > > Most normal users don't warn to learn Linux. They > just learn > > to use > > whatever GUI is given to them, be it > Gnome/KDE/explorer.exe/OS > > X, or the > > interface of the EEEpc. > > > > Things are supposed to work, because the hardware is > > customised for it. > > Almost nobody needs to use the terminal for that > regard. > > > > And what would you define learning linux? Learning > Ubuntu? > > Becoming a > > gnome poweruser? Or a KDE poweruser? Very few things > are > > central among > > all Linux distributions. Even bash can be replaced > with fish, > > zsh, etc. > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, 2008-05-24 at 22:27 +0200, Anton Xuereb > wrote: > > > What i mean is that the eeepc is a sandbox, it in > itself > > works fine, > > > no quirks no problems, so anyone using it will be > on a point > > and click > > > diet...the ui is way dumbed down and the options > are > > restricted...it's > > > a much different experience than having a desktop > pc with > > ubuntu > > > installed and your wic doesnt work > > > > > > M > > > > > > On Sat, May 24, 2008 at 10:11 PM, Jean Azzopardi > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > But how do you "learn linux"? The best way > to teach > > someone > > > linux is > > > lock him in a room and not let him out > until he can > > install > > > Gentoo, > > > stage 1, blindfolded, without a keyboard, > or mouse. > > > > > > > > > On Sat, 2008-05-24 at 22:05 +0200, Anton > Xuereb > > wrote: > > > > I did actually handle an eeepc...very > nice machine > > altho > > > totally > > > > useless for anyone who wants to _learn_ > linux..If > > you just > > > wanna use > > > > it then it's great and amazing! > > > > > > > > Jean: about the modded distro...we have > already > > discussed > > > the idea > > > > during the last meeting, mostly for a > distribution > > targeted > > > to IT > > > > students with developement tools already > > installed. > > > > > > > > M > > > > > > > > On Sat, May 24, 2008 at 9:31 PM, > Gianluca Magro > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > wrote: > > > > To be honest, I don't think > converting > > software to > > > the Maltese > > > > language would really help... > most people > > prefer to > > > use > > > > software in English... I mean > there is the > > Maltese > > > language in > > > > Windows.. but usually people > choose > > English as the > > > language > > > > for their OS and not Maltese... > Most tech > > words > > > would still be > > > > in English anyway. Of course the > upstream > > would be a > > > nice > > > > thing, and could (maybe) give > more > > exposure to Malta > > > and MLUG > > > > in that case, but would people > really use > > it? > > > > > > > > Re: Azureus... ye, forgot about > it, I > > don't use > > > torrents > > > > anymore :p > > > > > > > > PS Thanks Jean & Raphael :) > > > > > > > > -bix > > > > > > > > Raphael Borg Ellul Vincenti > wrote: > > > > > > > > > I personally prefer fixing the > problems > > upstream > > > (sorry Gianluca ... > > > > > big word) and provide good > translations > > to the > > > distributions and the > > > > > desktop projects rather than > creating > > yet another > > > distribution. > > > > > Ultimately, the maltese don't > want any > > different > > > applications than > > > > > anybody else. If they really > (really > > really) want > > > they can change the > > > > > language to Maltese. But > ultimately its > > the same > > > software. > > > > > > > > > > I know someone who has the Eee > PC at > > work, and > > > Keith can probably back > > > > > me up with his impressions of > the > > device, since I > > > myself only saw it > > > > > in the hands of the salesman > at scan and > > it was > > > switched off - damn! > > > > > > > > > > I think the punchline is to > convince > > them to use > > > applications which > > > > > suck less :P Never do the > mistake of > > promising the > > > world. > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > Raphael > > > > > > > > > > P.S Printer configuring and > scanner > > detection > > > have been top notch > > > > > on my linux machine (latest > openSUSE > > here) and I > > > am far from > > > > > grumbling. I plugged it in > into I don't > > know how > > > many devices and it > > > > > just worked. Comparing that to > the > > endless amount > > > of detecting > > > > > hardware and general bugginess > in XP, I > > am feeling > > > better off. Dunno > > > > > about Windows but I heard that > driver > > support > > > there is even worse. > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, May 24, 2008 at 9:01 > PM, Jean > > Azzopardi > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Amarok is soon getting a > Windows > > version, since > > > they're using QT 4 now. > > > > > > I forgot VLC for a while, as > I don't > > use it so > > > much on Linux, although > > > > > > it was my best friend when I > was using > > Windows. > > > Same goes for > > > > > > Thunderbird. There's also > Azureus, the > > > Bittorrent client, for instance. > > > > > > > > > > > > Another thing that will > definitely > > help is > > > Vista. Most people I know > > > > > > complain about it, and it's > insane > > memory > > > requirements, especially if > > > > > > their hardware is middle of > the line, > > like mine. > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, how do you convince Joe > Public to > > use > > > OpenSource software instead > > > > > > of proprietary software? How > do you > > spread the > > > word? > > > > > > > > > > > > P.S. I nearly forgot, what > about the > > EEEPc of > > > Asus, it has Linux > > > > > > preloaded on it. Has anyone > seen one > > yet in > > > Malta? I know it's for sale, > > > > > > but I don't know anyone who > bought it. > > What I do > > > know is that most > > > > > > people regard it as being a > very good > > device in > > > general, with Linux only > > > > > > enhancing that image, even > among > > people who > > > aren't very hardware savvy. > > > > > > > > > > > > A possible solution might be > to see > > what the > > > Maltese market likes, > > > > > > modify Ubuntu and create a > distro of > > our own > > > (perhaps with a good > > > > > > Maltese translation? Who > knows? > > Getting the > > > Akkademja tal-Malti on our > > > > > > side might prove fruitful.) > Then, > > collude with a > > > local retailer to > > > > > > bundle it on a laptop, and > see how > > people react > > > to the product. > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course, we'd have to > provide some > > means of > > > support..as I can already > > > > > > foresee problems from the > end users, > > especially > > > as they try and use > > > > > > their own software on it/or > plugin > > devices that > > > are not compatible (This > > > > > > might really hurt..what do > you tell > > someone > > > whose expensive printer > > > > > > doesn't work?) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sorry for the long > post... :D, and > > super long > > > P.S., and good luck with > > > > > > Linux, Gianluca! And the > exams :P > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, 2008-05-24 at 19:03 > +0200, > > Gianluca > > > Magro wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi, first time posting on > this > > mailing list, > > > but here goes :P > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Continuing to what Raphael > said, it > > is a bit > > > difficult to push linux > > > > > > > into people who only use > their > > computer for > > > fun and don't even know > > > > > > > what e-mail program > they're using. > > Therefore > > > pushing OSS first is key > > > > > > > to achieve this. Firefox > and OOo are > > of course > > > ahead of the rest and > > > > > > > have already starting > diffusing > > amongst the > > > 'normal users'... Firefox > > > > > > > sort of seems 'cooler' > than 'you > > know what', > > > and maybe that helped in > > > > > > > pushing Firefox to these > people. OOo > > was > > > pushed because it was > > > > > > > installed on people's PC > instead of > > office > > > (saves money no?). Amarok > > > > > > > unfortunately doesn't have > a Windows > > version > > > yet so these users cannot > > > > > > > really try it and see what > it's > > like. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moreover it will take some > time > > before a > > > stable build with features > > > > > > > that overcome WMP's, and > only at > > that point > > > can the software be pushed > > > > > > > forward. I would suggest > pushing > > ahead > > > software which has already been > > > > > > > in the Windows scene for > quite some > > time. What > > > about VLC? A video > > > > > > > player that saves the > hassle of > > downloading a > > > million and one codecs > > > > > > > for any film or tv series > you > > download, which > > > WMP can't play by > > > > > > > default. I've heard lots > of > > complaints from > > > people who can't play > > > > > > > their videos, and always > solved > > their problems > > > by redirecting them to > > > > > > > VLC. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gimp is a cool piece of > software too > > but > > > unfortunately not many people > > > > > > > are into graphic design, > and those > > who are > > > would already use other > > > > > > > software, so it's quite > useless. > > What about > > > Thunderbird? Great email > > > > > > > program providing > everything that > > Outlook > > > provides, of course with > > > > > > > customisable looks and > stuff which > > Outlook > > > doesn't have in addition to > > > > > > > those. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However, what I think > would be a > > good thing to > > > promote, that most > > > > > > > people should start > learning to > > do... would be > > > sourceforge.net a site > > > > > > > for downloading any random > software > > you'd > > > need. People still search on > > > > > > > google to find software > that > > converts MKV to > > > AVI... they find some > > > > > > > program that needs you to > pay, and > > download > > > the program and the crack > > > > > > > from Ares. We can show > people that > > searching > > > for open source software > > > > > > > on sites such as > sourceforge they > > would find > > > programs that fit to any > > > > > > > of their needs are work > better than > > the ones > > > they spent ages to find, > > > > > > > download and crack. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sorry for the long post... > but this > > comes from > > > a user who's still > > > > > > > pretty new to Linux and > doesn't have > > much > > > background in it, I think > > > > > > > these are some points that > normal > > users MIGHT > > > be interested in > > > > > > > changing to :) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - bix > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anton Xuereb wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Seems I missed out a lot > on the > > thread. Some > > > > > > > > people live at their > desks it > > seems. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I try to but don't > always > > manage :( > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, May 24, 2008 at > 5:11 PM, > > Raphael > > > Borg Ellul Vincenti > > > > > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > > > > > Personally I see > it as a > > big sign of > > > disrespect. Although > > > > > > > > the tshirt > > > > > > > > banner wasn't as > bad. > > Seems I missed > > > out a lot on the > > > > > > > > thread. Some > > > > > > > > people live at > their desks > > it seems. > > > I would like to voice a > > > > > > > > couple of > > > > > > > > things on the > top of my > > head. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > First of all, I > see a big > > difficulty > > > in HR scene regarding > > > > > > > > Linux and > > > > > > > > or other system > programing > > > experience on the island. Based > > > > > > > > on the CVs > > > > > > > > that I see on my > desk, yes > > we find > > > it extremely difficult to > > > > > > > > find the > > > > > > > > right people to > join our > > company. > > > Yes we have products which > > > > > > > > are based > > > > > > > > on Linux let > alone core > > > infrastructure. So its crucial for > > > > > > > > us (2X) to > > > > > > > > find local > talent which we > > could > > > surely use. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Second of all, > Anton you > > forgot > > > world domination somewhere > > > > > > > > in your list. :) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The workshop is > on the top > > of our > > > list. Well it was before > > > > > > > > we lost our > > > > > > > > mirror and the > world > > collapsed. > > > Angelo, we would really like > > > > > > > > to help > > > > > > > > out if there is > the need > > for OSS > > > awareness. Even from the > > > > > > > > academic > > > > > > > > point of view > since OSS > > reflects > > > most values in academia of > > > > > > > > publishing > > > > > > > > your work. I am > not > > talking about MS > > > vs Linux here. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regarding other > arguments, > > yes > > > conversion starts from the > > > > > > > > applications > > > > > > > > which we use > daily on our > > linux > > > desktops and then to the > > > > > > > > actual linux > > > > > > > > distribution. I > know that > > after > > > Firefox and OOo, Amarok will > > > > > > > > be a big > > > > > > > > pusher in the > propaganda > > of OSS and > > > free (as in speech) > > > > > > > > online music > > > > > > > > stores. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, May 24, > 2008 at > > 2:08 PM, > > > Anton Xuereb > > > > > > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > that egging > video was > > hilarious > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, May > 24, 2008 at > > 1:59 PM, > > > Jean Azzopardi > > > > > > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> Yes..or some > hungarian > > students > > > will get creative with > > > > > > > > some dairy > > > > > > > > >> products. > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> On Sat, > 2008-05-24 at > > 13:48 > > > +0200, Anton Xuereb wrote: > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > Something > tells me > > that Ballmer > > > wouldn't accept and for > > > > > > > > the love of > > > > > > > > >> > God don't > expect me > > to stand > > > still while so many chairs > > > > > > > > would be > > > > > > > > >> > waiting to > be broken > > against > > > his back :( > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > ;) > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > M > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > On Sat, May > 24, 2008 > > at 1:45 > > > PM, Jean Azzopardi > > > > > > > > >> > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > I > vote for > > Stallman, > > > Torvalds, Shuttleworth and > > > > > > > > Ballmer as > > > > > > > > >> > > guest > > > > > > > > >> > > speakers. > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > On > Sat, > > 2008-05-24 at > > > 13:30 +0200, Sebastian > > > > > > > > Cachia wrote: > > > > > > > > >> > > > Regards > > OOo, I used > > > to teach ECDL a few years > > > > > > > > back, and can > > > > > > > > >> > > back up > > > > > > > > >> > > > what Anton > > said, that > > > a number of students > > > > > > > > had bought PCs > > > > > > > > >> > > with OOo > > > > > > > > >> > > > > pre-installed, and > > > either just stuck with it, > > > > > > > > or didn't even > > > > > > > > >> > > know they > > > > > > > > >> > > > were using > > a > > > different product. Getting > > > > > > > > people to switch > to > > > > > > > > >> > > Linux > > > > > > > > >> > > > would be > > great, but > > > as Jean said, a number of > > > > > > > > other open > > > > > > > > >> > > source > > > > > > > > >> > > > > applications exist, > > > and getting people to > > > > > > > > switch would be > a > > > > > > > > >> > > great step > > > > > > > > >> > > > forward. > > Also once > > > people are used to using > > > > > > > > products like > > > > > > > > >> > > Firefox, > > > > > > > > >> > > > OOo, Gimp, > > etc, the > > > prospect of using Linux > > > > > > > > is no longer so > > > > > > > > >> > > bad. > > > > > > > > >> > > > Afterall, > > for average > > > user, the concept of > > > > > > > > the OS is purely > > > > > > > > >> > at > an > > > > > > > > >> > > > Application > > layer, > > > and has little to do with > > > > > > > > what kernel is > > > > > > > > >> > > running > > > > > > > > >> > > > underneath. > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > Last year > > at Uni, we > > > had an Introduction to > > > > > > > > Operating > > > > > > > > >> > > Systems > > course > > > > > > > > >> > > > (or > > something like > > > that) by the CIS > > > > > > > > department. It > is > > > > > > > > >> > > however > > > > > > > > >> > > > generally > > accepted to > > > have been quite a > > > > > > > > disapointment. > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > A > good > > place to start > > > might be some sort of > > > > > > > > Open Source > > > > > > > > >> > > seminar, > > > > > > > > >> > > > organized > > by MLUG for > > > Uni ICT students. A > > > > > > > > list of guest > > > > > > > > >> > > speakers > > could > > > > > > > > >> > > > be > > identified, both > > > from within MLUG, as well > > > > > > > > as the Uni > > > > > > > > >> > > staff. Also, > > > > > > > > >> > > > it is > > generally > > > better to get people > > > > > > > > interested > through > > > > > > > > >> > > seeing and > > > > > > > > >> > > > doing. Some > > sort of > > > workshop, in a linux lab > > > > > > > > perhaps, where > > > > > > > > >> > > anybody > > > > > > > > >> > > > can bring > > along a > > > laptop and be led through a > > > > > > > > given topic by > > > > > > > > >> > > somebody. > > > > > > > > >> > > > Perhaps > > these could > > > all be joined together to > > > > > > > > form some sort > > > > > > > > >> > of > day > > > > > > > > >> > > > long event. > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > > >> > > > MLUG-list > > mailing > > > list > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > [email protected] > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://linux.org.mt/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mlug-list > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > > >> > > MLUG-list > > mailing list > > > > > > > > >> > > > [email protected] > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://linux.org.mt/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mlug-list > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > > >> > MLUG-list > mailing > > list > > > > > > > > >> > > > [email protected] > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > http://linux.org.mt/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mlug-list > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > > >> MLUG-list > mailing list > > > > > > > > >> > [email protected] > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > http://linux.org.mt/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mlug-list > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > > > MLUG-list > mailing list > > > > > > > > > > [email protected] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://linux.org.mt/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mlug-list > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > > MLUG-list > mailing list > > > > > > > > > [email protected] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://linux.org.mt/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mlug-list > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > > MLUG-list mailing list > > > > > > > > [email protected] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://linux.org.mt/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mlug-list > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > MLUG-list mailing list > > > > > > > [email protected] > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://linux.org.mt/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mlug-list > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > MLUG-list mailing list > > > > > > [email protected] > > > > > > > > > > > > http://linux.org.mt/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mlug-list > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > MLUG-list mailing list > > > > > [email protected] > > > > > > > > > > > http://linux.org.mt/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mlug-list > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > MLUG-list mailing list > > > > [email protected] > > > > > > > > > > http://linux.org.mt/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mlug-list > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > MLUG-list mailing list > > > > [email protected] > > > > > > > http://linux.org.mt/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mlug-list > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > MLUG-list mailing list > > > [email protected] > > > > > > http://linux.org.mt/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mlug-list > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > MLUG-list mailing list > > > [email protected] > > > > http://linux.org.mt/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mlug-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > > MLUG-list mailing list > > [email protected] > > > http://linux.org.mt/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mlug-list > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > MLUG-list mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://linux.org.mt/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mlug-list > > _______________________________________________ > MLUG-list mailing list > [email protected] > http://linux.org.mt/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mlug-list > > > _______________________________________________ > MLUG-list mailing list > [email protected] > http://linux.org.mt/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mlug-list _______________________________________________ MLUG-list mailing list [email protected] http://linux.org.mt/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mlug-list
