I don't recall how I found out that Heritage is a financial backer of
Gavelsnipe (which is probably more appropriate than calling them a
corporate ownership), but I've known, it's been talked about on Comic
Book forums and the like.. But I have never been worried one bit
about leaving my bids on gavelsnipe and it's easy for me to see how
much money I have saved on both ebay and Heritage auctions by looking
at my snipes and how mostly, they've never gotten close to my winning bids
then again, I'm not a conspiracist.
I know the only way for two people to keep a secret is if one of them is dead
At 01:50 PM 4/18/2012, David Kusumoto wrote:
Rich
How did you know? Through the site itself (which is key) - or
through pals or by just "being in the know?" If a consumer signs up
with GavelSnipe for the first time today, is there a PROACTIVE
disclosure in GavelSnipe's terms and conditions about its
relationship with Heritage? If so, it undercuts everything I've
written and I owe everyone a big apology. -d.
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Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 13:41:37 -0700
To: davidmkusum...@hotmail.com; MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU
From: sa...@comic-art.com
Subject: Re: [MOPO] Potential Conflict of Interest? Is Gavel-Snipe
owned by Heritage?
David
the ownership of Gavelsnipe by Heritage corporate was never hidden..
I knew about it the day I set up my own account
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Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 13:24:52 -0700
From: davidmkusum...@hotmail.com
Subject: Re: Potential Conflict of Interest? Is Gavel-Snipe owned by Heritage?
To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU
I agree with Kirby too, particularly with his comment: "Any proxy
bid system could be undermined with enough 'nefariousness' at work."
Hence while I wrote my "essay" with a level of air-tightness - I was
trying to convey less personal suspicion about any "nefariousness"
at work by Heritage - (and it's only because I know and trust Grey)
- but with more concern about the link between GavelSnipe and
Heritage - and how in my view, it has a level of newsworthiness with
the media that Heritage doesn't need. Don't think so? Just REPLACE
Heritage's name in my "essay" below - with Sotheby's or Christie's
or Profiles in History. You see, your emotional reaction is based
on the type of relationship and comfort level you may or may not
already have with any auction house on earth. This is really a
personal preference thing with people, e.g., they either trust the
"leash" between the two entities - or they don't. I just put it out
there because I know most people will read it - and most as a result
will mull it over as another quirky element that riddles all
hobbies, not just ours. -d.
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Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 16:20:39 +0200
From: i...@motionpictureart.com
Subject: Re: Potential Conflict of Interest? Is Gavel-Snipe owned by Heritage?
To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU
I agree with Kirby. We've been using Gavelsnipe for eBay for quite
some time, we don't buy from Heritage, and never had any problems.
Ron
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Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 09:05:48 -0500
From: ki...@movieart.net
Subject: Re: Potential Conflict of Interest? Is Gavel-Snipe owned by Heritage?
To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU
I have used Gavelsnipe many times for Heritage and Ebay auctions and
I have never had even one whiff
of a feeling that I was being run up. I'm glad that this service
exists because I like the snipe process. I
can set it and forget it.
Doesn't mean it couldn't happen if some nefarious persons wanted to
pollute the process.
Any proxy bid system could be undermined with enough "nefariousness" at work.
Kirby
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Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 02:13:00 -0700
From: davidmkusum...@hotmail.com
Subject: Potential Conflict of Interest? Is Gavel-Snipe owned by Heritage?
To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU
* With the impending launch of Peter Contarino's, Sean Linkenback's
and Ken Schacter's auctions (vs. fixed price sales which are there
now), I've been visiting their MoviePosterExchange.com site. It's
easy to navigate and very user-friendly. (BTW, where in the heck
did the highly-touted $850,000 "Metropolis" 3-sheet go? I can't
find it! Did it sell?) At any rate, while visiting the site's
FAQs, I read that it has partnered with GavelSnipe, the sniping
program service, which will be available to bidders for timed
auctions. That's good news.
* But what's interesting - and this has nothing to do with
MoviePosterExchange.com - is GavelSnipe "appears" to be owned by
Heritage. If I'm wrong, please correct me - and a thousand
apologies if I am. I'm less concerned about potential abuses like
shilling and what not with Heritage's auctions - than I am about
transparency. GavelSnipe's murky origins are troubling. I couldn't
find much info about who owns or runs it. This is NOT a criticism
of Grey - who I consider a pal. The issue of GavelSnipe's ownership
- if indeed Heritage is its "owner" - is out of his hands. It's
bigger than him because it's available to bidders in Heritage's
other departments.
* If true, this is NOT like PayPal being owned by eBay. It's more
like GavelSnipe being owned by Sotheby's or Christie's, e.g., a
conflict of interest where potential abuses "could" occur - despite
assurances that a "sniping subsidiary" of Sotheby's or Christie's -
can operate independently - with an iron-clad ability to preserve
the confidentiality of all scheduled "snipe" bids submitted
online. Do you trust this, given what you've read in the news about
Sotheby's, Christie's, price fixing, Wall Street buddies in bed with
politicians trading stocks with confidential info, etc.?
* By using ANY sniping program, you are imparting the same trust you
already give to auction sites when submitting "absentee bids" for
"live" showroom sales. The difference is you can't be "run-up"
while using a sniping program, or so you think, because your bids
are placed in the last few seconds of a timed sale. But what if the
wall protecting "sniped bids" is breached by another department in
the SAME building? Here's what I know: GavelSnipe is based in
Dallas and "uses SSL encryption (so that) your passwords are secured
and not VIEWABLE by GavelSnipe personnel." I have no reason to
distrust this. But what about actual snipe bid amounts before a
sale closes? In the effort to make "sniping" available for clients
like myself who've clamored for it - I hope Heritage hasn't errantly
opened a can of worms by OWNING GavelSnipe - instead of PARTNERING
with an independently-run third party company - such as JustSnipe or
others like it.
* Before most of you scoff and dismiss what I'm saying as
"manufactured paranoia" or "no big deal" - please know that I'm
approaching this as a person who has personally GAINED by buying and
consigning items with Heritage over the years - hence I'm not
inclined to see it stub its toes for ANY reason. Again, I'm more
concerned about transparency than abuse when it comes to
Heritage. And that's mostly because of Grey. But visit the
GavelSnipe site. It "feels" like it has something to hide - as if
it already knows that there's ZERO benefit to be PROACTIVE with
consumers - about who's "really" signing the paychecks for
GavelSnipe's employees. -d.
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