Platt: Sounds right to me. Also, your comments about lack of adherence to the law in the U.S. is correct -- immigration laws being an obvious case in point, although official encouragement to ignore election laws is currently getting a lot of play.
woods: yeah, your correct about immigration laws. They are laws and they are not enforced, but encouraged and supported by many businesses. Not sure about "election laws" being ignored. I haven't heard about this. Interesting. What are you hearing? I've heard about Acorn, but then again this voter registration fraud doesn't hurt the voting process. It hurts Acorn for they are paying people that clearly have no integrity and these people are putting names such as "Mickey Mouse" or whatever names from the phone book, etc... on these registration forms, but that's them. Not the people that will vote. The people that might get their name put on a registration form ten times or twenty times don't know their names are on these forms. They will go and vote once. It's Acorn that's hurting for by law, even if they see registration forms that are clearly messed up and they tell the gov't agencies about these inconsistencies, they still have to turn these forms into the gov't agencies. By law, Acorn cannot throw out these bogus forms. Only the gov't agencies can. In the end, a person will vote once for they didn't even know their names were being doubled or put on the forms more than once. Voter fraud on votes of over 170 million people since 2000 have only be found in 20 cases in the court and convicted by the court: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/27319542#27319542 This is only one perspective and I haven't found other perspectives on this topic. Now again, maybe your talking about other "election laws" being ignored. I was bringing up what has been mainstreamed as an issue. I admit I don't know much about this issue, and haven't heard much about it to help balance any inconsistencies or ill-informed reports that might be embedded in what I'm hearing. I usually try to get information from many different sources to get a fully picture of what's happening. But here's some of what I've found. Without laws we have moral decay - decadence. If laws are not good, then intellectually they can be argued out in congress, but if congress can't even follow the constitution... This is why such parties as the Constitutional Party and the Libertarian Party are trying to gain a foothold in the two-party monopoly system. The whole base of these parties is founded upon following the Constitution for there is a recognized lack of following the Constitution so political parties are being formed to try to reinstall the U.S. Constitution as the law of the U.S. woods Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/