Hi Dan and all
I thought that may have been why you went quiet Dan - also why Dave
seems to have dropped out. It would appear that Tuuk is less interested
in having a conversation and prefers a confrontation, foisting a
particular point of view on everyone around him. Tuuk and John also have
an agenda which includes 'revitalising' MD in order that the other list
they occupy has something to react against - which might explain the
confrontational approach they're currently adopting.
The problem with Tuuk 's confrontational approach is that after a while
others (yourself, David, Ron etc.) get frustrated and then bored with
continually going over the same arguments because his heels are dug in
and he is incapable of understanding that he may have erred in his
initial premise or premises and is incapable of backtracking. We've seen
this a number of times in the past and, as said, why would we wish to
waste precious time on someone who has no interest in listening. A shame
really as Tuuk is an intelligent guy who may have had something of
interest to say but his 'people skills' aren't up to much.
Still, I'm not going to waste any of my own time on it - especially when
nothing new or useful, with regard to Pirsig's MoQ, is likely to come of it.
I also don't like being manipulated by others to further their childish
agendas!
Cheers
Horse
On 31/10/2016 17:21, Dan Glover wrote:
Horse, all,
Thank you. Yes, I have gone quiet for just that reason. As Dave says,
this is a lot of work, at least for me, and when someone digs into a
position like Tuk has done here, not only does frustration result but
also the sense that I am beating my head against a wall. Meaningful
intelligent discussions are a joy but they do take away time that can
be better spent elsewhere, which I don't begrudge, mind you, if the
discussion is indeed meaningful and intelligent.
Thanks again,
Dan
http://www.danglover.com
On Mon, Oct 31, 2016 at 9:18 AM, Horse <ho...@darkstar.uk.net> wrote:
Tuuk (and John)
I think what Dave is asking, and is being far too polite about it,unlike me,
is - are you interested in a meaningful discussion relating to RMP's MoQ or
is this just another boring wind-up or point scoring exercise.?
We've all wasted far too much time in the past on list members who
misinterpret or fail to understand the MoQ and, given your past record, this
looks like another of those time-wasting exercises. Dan has gone quiet, I
imagine, for the same reason. Why bother trying to have a meaningful
discussion with someone who is only interested in confusing and/or
misinterpreting and twisting the MoQ for their own purpose and has bugger
all interest in what Pirsig has to say and, additionally, what those who
have a thorough understanding (i.e. a lot better than yours it would appear)
of Pirsigs work have to say as well?
It's exasperating, time-consuming and more than a little sad when this
happens.
And, as for the 'Ignoramus or Fraud' bullshit, if you or John want to come
on here and be deliberately disrespectful and inflammatory then you can fuck
off back to your own inconsequential little list and talk amongst yourselves
over there - along with the other nut jobs!
Are we clear now?
Thanks for your interest!
Horse
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