Roger, I was purposely avoiding any "sales pitch", sorry it seemed otherwise to you. After reading perhaps 50 responses to your topic, I merely wanted to make sure the effort of building good message tracking solutions wasn't minimized or underestimated. There were some great replies (I think Mr. Kelly was particularly on track). Personally, I have no idea of the prices and would expect the vendors to be up front with you. Sales and marketing people should do that well enough. I just try to help architect and implement solutions that are helpful to the IT world, especially MQ (translation, IT geek).
I would assume the prices to be more in the lower than upper range of the example you provided below. Send a quick RFP to each of the vendor's websites to verify that. Also, each of the vendors involved have a different approach to the problem and their associated pros and cons. Evaluating each of their merits is the way to go, if you have the time. Otherwise, I'm looking forward to your next endeavor. Regards, Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roger Lacroix" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2004 1:46 AM Subject: Re: Message Tracking > Hi Peter, > > It sounds like you have created a very nice tool / solution. A little > heavy on the sales pitch though. :)) > > You seem to be a little elusive on the price. What is the MSRP for it on > Solaris v8 & WMQ v5.3? Do you charge 'per queue manager' or 'per Unix > box'? My current client typically has 3-4 queue managers per Unix box. I > wish companies would list their products MSRP on their web site. > > I would fully agree that money is wasted at my current client, previous > clients, etc... You can only push so far before the manager or VP reminds > you that you were hired to implement 'their vision'. I hope managers and > VPs do more than 'roll the dice'. I hope they weigh the cost of say > $100,000 for the product (although your product sounds rich - maybe > $500,000) versus the wasted time of the developers. Actually, most of them > don't mind the up front costs, but it is those wild maintenance contracts > that make them stop absolutely dead in their tracks. > > Anyway, I do want to hear about the MSRP as per above. > > Regards, > Roger Lacroix > > > > At 12:14 AM 5/4/2004, you wrote: > >So, is this to work on 10 different platforms, 3 versions of MQ, encompass > >choice of database repositories and their associated versions? Will it be > >able to handle conversion of data from zOS to NT, across clustered > >Qmanagers, then aggregate those messages into transactions in that scenario? > >Will you be able to prevent access to the data, especially the contents for > >security reasons? I am sure many of our ListServ engineers can build a > >point solution for a specific environment, but the ongoing maintenance and > >future progress of those types of solutions have proven to be limited. > > > >I believe the tracking products provide these features. Those products > >can be purchased as developer seats for a limited amount of Qmanagers as > >well. It is, perhaps, the maturity and quality assurance that make vendor > >products pricey, but for good reason. There is also the vendor's dilemma > >of allowing a site to use (trial) their software for free during times of > >crisis only, which forces vendors into requesting a longer commitment (and > >more up front $$) in order to cover their costs. So I would be surprised > >that $5000 is a fair estimate of this type of solution. > > > >However, if sites like yours would be amenable to a usage license, perhaps > >some of these vendors would accede to your wishes. But just remember when > >you and I were engineers at former (and respective) monitoring companies; > >the cost is what happened when you weren't notified or didn't have the > >information when someone was urgently needing it. If something is lost (or > >rather misplaced!), how much does it cost your company in time, people, > >fines, audits, or lost business? Your management is betting that these > >issues will cost less than the available solutions. Roll the dice ! > > > >Regards, Peter > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Roger Lacroix" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Sent: Monday, May 03, 2004 1:17 AM > >Subject: Re: Message Tracking > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > Yes, I could probably list 4 tools that do it all but you missed the point > > > of the 'zero' budget (almost zero) statement. > > > > > > What I proposed to my client was a very simple API Exit to log messages: 2 > > > days to code. Plus a very simple Perl script or Java program to parse the > > > log for matches: 1-2 days to code. And another day to test, deploy and > > > document it. > > > > > > Now I have not priced any of these solutions because I thought they would > > > be far more expensive than my 4-5 days (lets say 5 days). So, if we use a > > > flat $1000 per day then that would be $5000 cost for my client. This > > > solution will be deployed to about 20 queue managers. > > > > > > Therefore, if Reconda or any other vendor can do it for $5000 or less for > > > 20 queue managers, please contact me off-line ASAP because I can / will > >get > > > you a meeting with the manager and VP. > > > > > > I am very serious - I am on a 6-month contract. So whether I do this > > > mini-project or not has no bearing on my contract!!!! > > > > > > Regards, > > > Roger Lacroix > > > Capitalware Inc. > > > > > > At 11:00 PM 4/29/2004, you wrote: > > > >Reconda: QN-StatWatch does it all. > > > > > > > >Instructions for managing your mailing list subscription are provided in > > > >the Listserv General Users Guide available at http://www.lsoft.com > > > >Archive: http://vm.akh-wien.ac.at/MQSeries.archive > > > > > > Instructions for managing your mailing list subscription are provided in > > > the Listserv General Users Guide available at http://www.lsoft.com > > > Archive: http://vm.akh-wien.ac.at/MQSeries.archive > > > >Instructions for managing your mailing list subscription are provided in > >the Listserv General Users Guide available at http://www.lsoft.com > >Archive: http://vm.akh-wien.ac.at/MQSeries.archive > > Instructions for managing your mailing list subscription are provided in > the Listserv General Users Guide available at http://www.lsoft.com > Archive: http://vm.akh-wien.ac.at/MQSeries.archive Instructions for managing your mailing list subscription are provided in the Listserv General Users Guide available at http://www.lsoft.com Archive: http://vm.akh-wien.ac.at/MQSeries.archive
