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> This is one of the principle reasons why firewalls are ineffective, BTW.

No, it's one of the principle reasons why people who don't understand
what firewalls are good for fail to use them effectively.  Firewalls are
not a panacea, but they are useful tools.

But we just had this fight on debian-user, let's not go there.


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