Happy lurker agrees. Hope everyone is doing ok. Best Helen Sent from my iPhone
> On 13 Jun 2021, at 02:29, Alan Sondheim <sondh...@panix.com> wrote: > > > > Hi, For some reason I didn't see the last - and I agree totally with > everything, and thank you. > > Best, Alan > > >> On Sat, 12 Jun 2021, Lichty, Patrick M wrote: >> >> Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2021 20:06:30 -0500 >> From: "Lichty, Patrick M" <p...@voyd.com> >> Reply-To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity >> <netbehaviour@lists.netbehaviour.org> >> To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity >> <netbehaviour@lists.netbehaviour.org> >> Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] Netbehaviour renewal - Occupy? a commons? by a >> fire, in the ruins in an ancient woodland >> So say me all. >> Yes, we need this place, we need you. >> >> From: NetBehaviour <netbehaviour-boun...@lists.netbehaviour.org> on behalf >> of Ruth Catlow via NetBehaviour <netbehaviour@lists.netbehaviour.org> >> Reply-To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity >> <netbehaviour@lists.netbehaviour.org> >> Date: Saturday, June 12, 2021 at 11:12 AM >> To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity >> <netbehaviour@lists.netbehaviour.org> >> Cc: Ruth Catlow <ruthcat...@gmail.com> >> Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] Netbehaviour renewal - Occupy? a commons? by a >> fire, in the ruins in an ancient woodland >> >> Hi Alan >> >> Did you read this bit? >> >> "If we can agree that we (all subscribers) collectively own this place, and >> are willing to reflect on this occasionally - that's more than enough for >> me. We can stay with furtherfield legacy infrastructure and near-zero >> moderation by Marc and me for now (if that suits everyone)." >> >> I was asking for responses to a proposal. I see your point about allowing >> people to go undeclared - I think it's a good one. >> >> >> >> >> >> On Sat, Jun 12, 2021 at 3:52 PM Alan Sondheim via NetBehaviour >> <netbehaviour@lists.netbehaviour.org> wrote: >> >> Hi Ruth, >> >> I probably stand alone here. Occupy was many things, wasn't that well >> organized, I was there several times. There was always a drum circle >> on the outskirts that interrupted flow. There were outlying groups and >> meetings that weren't on the main site. It was chaotic. It was bottom >> up. >> >> I don't like the suggestion below. First, I'm on a number of lists; on >> most of them I don't post, but I learn. This is a tradition all the >> way back. There are lists people have been silent on because they've >> infiltrated right-wing or fascist organizations. There are people on >> lists who don't want to be counted or accounted for, for many reasons. >> Your suggestion seems like a forced enrollment: come forward, tell >> everyone who you are, or you're gone. Another way to look at that: >> It's a privilege to be on this list and you must actively participate >> or you're gone. Or it's your duty as a member of this list to >> participate or you're gone. Or if you're shy and just interested in >> reading or possibly backchanneling only, you're gone. >> >> This literally has me in tears. For me, again, lists have had the >> advantage of the commons. But this commons then has a different >> purpose, and if you don't fit in, leave. Then it's not a commons, is >> it? Or are you talking about a commons where people must announce >> their presence or be gone? You say "This revolved around efforts to >> create open access" - but does this mean that you _must_ access >> publicly and make your presence known? >> >> Every list I'm on, by the way, is advertising-free; people might >> announce they have a harmonica for sale (harmonica list) or a new book >> has come out (wryting-l) or they're showing somewhere (Netbehaviour), >> but they're not advertisement-based of course. People announce from >> within the list, not to it. >> >> We have to "know who is in the woods"? In England, perhaps land and >> parkland is managed differently than in the U.S. You have to sign in >> at National Parks, but just once - in fact that's like a subscription >> - but you don't need to announce who you are on any basis to everyone >> else. In state parks, you just go in, Much as this country is horrific >> and lawless and armed to the teeth, we feel comfortable going to parks >> (except for the tics). >> >> I honestly don't feel comfortable on this list, and apologies for not >> being more helpful. I'll continue posting daily, you'll do what you >> want to do; the very performative discussion of unsubscribe is a >> signifier of power. I am so tired of, so worn out, by promulgations of >> power. (Yes, I know, power is everywhere, etc. But there are degrees >> and there are safe spaces, at least for now.) >> >> Alan >> >> On Sat, Jun 12, 2021 at 10:06 AM Ruth Catlow via NetBehaviour >> <netbehaviour@lists.netbehaviour.org> wrote: >> >> Dear everyone, >> >> Thanks so much for helping me to work through some of my >> niggles with the list. I now have a much better sense of >> what its value is to some of us at the fireside and a few >> of the people from the woods. I've also been greatly >> enjoying the recent exchanges! >> >> I also found Adam's email beautiful. Especially personally >> resonant because I lived for a year in Penryn unaware of >> the history of the Ordinalia there. I find the format of >> passion plays - "acts" of faith "performed" by people in >> the places where they belong - enthralling.Thanks for that >> Adam! >> Annie's response was also really helpful for me. The >> revolutionary impulse of the early media art initiatives that >> interested me was tied up with infrastructural critique and a >> desire to create a new art context together. This revolved >> around efforts to create open access, and co-ownership of the >> media and platforms we needed for collaboration. Bringing >> together FLOSS and Art. There is still a lot of inspiring work >> in this area Constant https://constantvzw.org/ for example. >> While I "get" the Occupy vibe here, it doesn't feel so useful as >> an analogy for this list/community as it stands at the moment. >> Occupy's central commitment was to participatory democracy. The >> location of occupations were chosen for their symbolic >> significance to state-corporate capitalism, right? I guess we >> could think of this list as a prefigurative community resisting >> corporate platforms (I share everyone's love of this as an >> advertising-free space). But I detect less interest among this >> group in the question of how bottom-up decisions should be made >> to ensure fair distribution of power, and how that might in turn >> lead to the overthrow of capitalism. Occupy activists developed >> social technologies (some digital platforms, some gestures and >> techniques for use in large groups of people gathered >> physically) to make ALL the decisions together about all the >> things - from collective vision to organising waste-disposal. >> It's more emergent here. >> If we can agree that Commons are "shared cultural or material >> resources managed by communities for individual and collective >> benefit" then maybe this is what we have been working out here >> over the last couple of weeks and Netbehaviour is a kind of >> commons. If we can agree that we (all subscribers) collectively >> own this place, and are willing to reflect on this occasionally >> - that's more than enough for me. We can stay with furtherfield >> legacy infrastructure and near-zero moderation by Marc and me >> for now (if that suits everyone). >> Finally, I would be curious to hear your feelings about this >> proposal for list renewal. >> ======================= >> Over a 1 month period starting xxx >> We invite all subscribers to do one of 3 things >> 1. Make a post on any topic or responding to anyone else's post >> 2. Send an email with "Happy Lurker" in the subject header >> 3. Do nothing. >> At the end of this time, moderators could >> 1. gather a list of everyone who posted >> 2. unsubscribe everyone else. >> In this way we will know who we are, we will be able to see >> ourselves collectively and know who is in the woods. >> This is something we can do intermittently. >> ======================== >> If you all love, hate or have alternative suggestions to this >> idea I'd love to know. >> >> warmly >> Ruth >> >> -- >> Ruth Catlow >> she/her >> Co-founder & Artistic director of Furtherfield & DECAL >> Decentralised Arts Lab >> +44 (0) 77370 02879 >> *I will only agree to speak at events that are racially and >> gender balanced. >> **sending thanks in advance >> Furtherfield disrupts and democratises art and technology >> through exhibitions, labs & debate, for deep exploration, open >> tools & free thinking. >> furtherfield.org >> >> DECAL Decentralised Arts Lab is an arts, blockchain & web 3.0 >> technologies research hub >> for fairer, more dynamic & connected cultural ecologies & >> economies now. >> decal.is >> Furtherfield is a Not-for-Profit Company Limited by Guarantee >> Registered in England and Wales under the Company No.7005205. >> Registered business address: Carbon Accountancy, 80-83 Long >> Lane, London, EC1A 9ET. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NetBehaviour mailing list >> NetBehaviour@lists.netbehaviour.org >> https://lists.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour >> -- >> ===================================================== >> directory http://www.alansondheim.org tel 718-813-3285 >> email sondheim ut panix.com, sondheim ut gmail.com >> ===================================================== >> _______________________________________________ >> NetBehaviour mailing list >> NetBehaviour@lists.netbehaviour.org >> https://lists.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour >> >> -- >> Ruth Catlow >> she/her >> Co-founder & Artistic director of Furtherfield & DECAL Decentralised Arts >> Lab >> +44 (0) 77370 02879 >> *I will only agree to speak at events that are racially and gender >> balanced. >> **sending thanks in advance >> Furtherfield disrupts and democratises art and technology through >> exhibitions, labs & debate, for deep exploration, open tools & free >> thinking. >> furtherfield.org >> >> DECAL Decentralised Arts Lab is an arts, blockchain & web 3.0 technologies >> research hub >> for fairer, more dynamic & connected cultural ecologies & economies now. >> decal.is >> Furtherfield is a Not-for-Profit Company Limited by Guarantee >> Registered in England and Wales under the Company No.7005205. >> Registered business address: Carbon Accountancy, 80-83 Long Lane, London, >> EC1A 9ET. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ NetBehaviour mailing list >> NetBehaviour@lists.netbehaviour.org >> https://lists.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour > _______________________________________________ > NetBehaviour mailing list > NetBehaviour@lists.netbehaviour.org > https://lists.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour _______________________________________________ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@lists.netbehaviour.org https://lists.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
