Sadly, it all seems to be about money: if you're getting paid to do something you end up having to play by the rules of who pays, art market or state funding... if no-one's paying, you can do whatever you like, and call it whatever you like.
On 7 February 2012 20:56, mez breeze <netwur...@gmail.com> wrote: > these days i prefer 2 brand myself a "Creative" which is likewise a > co-opted filthy_lucre_sheenesque label, but still 1 i prefer 2 "artist" > #IsntThatSad]. > > On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 2:18 AM, Simon Biggs <si...@littlepig.org.uk>wrote: > >> I can understand why some people don't want to call themselves artists, >> even when they are. Mike Kelly, a very successful artist, was quoted as >> saying that if he'd known art was going to become as corporatised as it has >> he would never have chosen to be an artist (this quote has been viral on >> Twitter since his recent death). I wonder what he would have chosen to be - >> or would he have made up something new? This is what we need... >> >> People consider what I do as art and assume I'm an artist. However, like >> Kelly and James, I became disillusioned with art and the art world a long >> time ago - not because I've been given a hard time (quite the contrary) but >> because I am disgusted at what seems to motivate many artists and the >> people who engage (and run) art professionally. It's become a laundry for >> dodgy money. Many artists, curators and cultural commentators are happy to >> join the circus. It is sad. >> >> Due to this I now think of what I do as the "practice once known as art". >> A programme I run, which is nominally in an art college (although for >> administrative reasons it is located in an architecture department) >> intentionally does not have the word art in its title (MSc by Research in >> Interdisciplinary Creative Practices). This allows us to work in ways that >> a course in our art department, with the expectation of producing artists >> to work in the art world, would struggle to consider, bound by a >> pre-determined framework of creative practice and engagement that is "art" >> as we now know it. Again, it's sad (hope my colleagues in art aren't >> reading this) to see students being primed as potential cannon-fodder for >> the art world. >> >> best >> >> Simon >> >> >> On 7 Feb 2012, at 14:29, isabel brison wrote: >> >> Hello, >> >> Just wondering why you choose not to call yourself an artist. Because the >> random stuff you post looks suspiciously like art to me... >> >> Isabel >> >> >> On 6 February 2012 15:04, James Morris <ja...@jwm-art.net> wrote: >> >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> I recently noticed that facebook warns people about links to my website >>> being malicious and surbl.org blacklists my domain name as associated >>> with spam. >>> >>> From what I can tell, some email clients allow filtering of messages >>> based upon these blacklists such as multi.surbl.org or ws.surbl.org and >>> it is within these lists where my domain is listed in. Spam filters >>> which use these lists scan the message _body_ and if a reference to a >>> blacklisted domain is found then the message is regarded as spam. >>> >>> I'm rather disappointed about this and it's lead me to wonder if maybe >>> something I've posted here is to blame. I know I've been argumentative >>> at times and been reactionary to things I dislike but I hope that the >>> actual work I've posted (not so much recent work) over the years has >>> made up for it. >>> >>> The artist career thing for me never took off and academically the >>> degree was as far as I got. Programming has become my focus and due to >>> that I find little time for anything else. >>> >>> With that in mind I'm left making posts on the occasional inspired >>> impulse. Hence the mobile-shot audio-clips and photographs from while >>> I'm at (factory)work. Or screenshots of software I'm trying to develop. >>> >>> Seems like I'm producing less and less art. But does it have to be art >>> to post here? I tend to focus on the "creativity" in the title to help >>> me justify my posts here. I have a memory (real or imagined) of when I >>> first subscribed of asked Marc if it was ok and he said 'for now'. >>> >>> The thing is I don't want to unsubscribe just because I'm not an artist >>> any more, but the impulses to post *random*stuff* are likely to be >>> around for a while... Unless people speak up to disuade me and give >>> good reasons for why and etc.... >>> >>> James. >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NetBehaviour mailing list >>> NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org >>> http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> http://isabelbrison.blogspot.com/ >> _______________________________________________ >> NetBehaviour mailing list >> NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org >> http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour >> >> >> >> Simon Biggs >> si...@littlepig.org.uk http://www.littlepig.org.uk/ @SimonBiggsUK skype: >> simonbiggsuk >> >> s.bi...@ed.ac.uk Edinburgh College of Art, University of Edinburgh >> http://www.eca.ac.uk/circle/ http://www.elmcip.net/ http:// >> www.movingtargets.co.uk/ >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NetBehaviour mailing list >> NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org >> http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour >> > > > > -- > Reality Engineer> > Synthetic Environment Strategist> > Game[r + ] Theorist. > ::http://www.lulu.com/product/paperback/human-readable-messages/17341088:: > > > > _______________________________________________ > NetBehaviour mailing list > NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org > http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour > -- http://isabelbrison.blogspot.com/
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