these days i prefer 2 brand myself a "Creative" which is likewise a co-opted filthy_lucre_sheenesque label, but still 1 i prefer 2 "artist" #IsntThatSad].
On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 2:18 AM, Simon Biggs <si...@littlepig.org.uk> wrote: > I can understand why some people don't want to call themselves artists, > even when they are. Mike Kelly, a very successful artist, was quoted as > saying that if he'd known art was going to become as corporatised as it has > he would never have chosen to be an artist (this quote has been viral on > Twitter since his recent death). I wonder what he would have chosen to be - > or would he have made up something new? This is what we need... > > People consider what I do as art and assume I'm an artist. However, like > Kelly and James, I became disillusioned with art and the art world a long > time ago - not because I've been given a hard time (quite the contrary) but > because I am disgusted at what seems to motivate many artists and the > people who engage (and run) art professionally. It's become a laundry for > dodgy money. Many artists, curators and cultural commentators are happy to > join the circus. It is sad. > > Due to this I now think of what I do as the "practice once known as art". > A programme I run, which is nominally in an art college (although for > administrative reasons it is located in an architecture department) > intentionally does not have the word art in its title (MSc by Research in > Interdisciplinary Creative Practices). This allows us to work in ways that > a course in our art department, with the expectation of producing artists > to work in the art world, would struggle to consider, bound by a > pre-determined framework of creative practice and engagement that is "art" > as we now know it. Again, it's sad (hope my colleagues in art aren't > reading this) to see students being primed as potential cannon-fodder for > the art world. > > best > > Simon > > > On 7 Feb 2012, at 14:29, isabel brison wrote: > > Hello, > > Just wondering why you choose not to call yourself an artist. Because the > random stuff you post looks suspiciously like art to me... > > Isabel > > > On 6 February 2012 15:04, James Morris <ja...@jwm-art.net> wrote: > >> >> Hi, >> >> I recently noticed that facebook warns people about links to my website >> being malicious and surbl.org blacklists my domain name as associated >> with spam. >> >> From what I can tell, some email clients allow filtering of messages >> based upon these blacklists such as multi.surbl.org or ws.surbl.org and >> it is within these lists where my domain is listed in. Spam filters >> which use these lists scan the message _body_ and if a reference to a >> blacklisted domain is found then the message is regarded as spam. >> >> I'm rather disappointed about this and it's lead me to wonder if maybe >> something I've posted here is to blame. I know I've been argumentative >> at times and been reactionary to things I dislike but I hope that the >> actual work I've posted (not so much recent work) over the years has >> made up for it. >> >> The artist career thing for me never took off and academically the >> degree was as far as I got. Programming has become my focus and due to >> that I find little time for anything else. >> >> With that in mind I'm left making posts on the occasional inspired >> impulse. Hence the mobile-shot audio-clips and photographs from while >> I'm at (factory)work. Or screenshots of software I'm trying to develop. >> >> Seems like I'm producing less and less art. But does it have to be art >> to post here? I tend to focus on the "creativity" in the title to help >> me justify my posts here. I have a memory (real or imagined) of when I >> first subscribed of asked Marc if it was ok and he said 'for now'. >> >> The thing is I don't want to unsubscribe just because I'm not an artist >> any more, but the impulses to post *random*stuff* are likely to be >> around for a while... Unless people speak up to disuade me and give >> good reasons for why and etc.... >> >> James. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NetBehaviour mailing list >> NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org >> http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour >> > > > > -- > http://isabelbrison.blogspot.com/ > _______________________________________________ > NetBehaviour mailing list > NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org > http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour > > > > Simon Biggs > si...@littlepig.org.uk http://www.littlepig.org.uk/ @SimonBiggsUK skype: > simonbiggsuk > > s.bi...@ed.ac.uk Edinburgh College of Art, University of Edinburgh > http://www.eca.ac.uk/circle/ http://www.elmcip.net/ http:// > www.movingtargets.co.uk/ > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > NetBehaviour mailing list > NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org > http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour > -- Reality Engineer> Synthetic Environment Strategist> Game[r + ] Theorist. ::http://www.lulu.com/product/paperback/human-readable-messages/17341088 ::
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