Av,
I hear what you're saying, and to a small degree I ...well, sort of agree,
but only to a small point. Actually, my supervisor and I have this very
converstation at times. He's said, and still continues to say, a lot of
the same things that you're saying. I am of the feeling that if Linux, no
matter what flavor, were to become "more" new user friendly, or to put it
a better way, extreme novice user friendly, then it would no longer
"be" linux. It would be Microsoft...or very much like it and not much at
all like Linux.
I don't say that to portray an attitude of an elitest. Quite the contrary
as a matter of fact. I've watched over the years as windows has evolved
and changed and become more novice friendly, and when I use that term I'm
refering to folks that barely know what a mouse is let alone what it can
do. Anyway, I've watched as the Windows platform has changed over the
years and has grown more and more accomodating to anyone and everyone in
general and to some degree that "is" necessary, but in so doing I really
believe that they've sacrficed much of Windows strengths and stability for
ease of use for both user and third party vendor.
Linux does indeed take a fair amount of work to get started with the
system and even a little more to get to a point to where you, as the user
feel very confortable with the system. I remember when I first started. I
thought I was going to pull my hair out trying to figure out what to do
next. But I quickly saw something in Linux that I didn't find in windows
and that was a great deal of stability, power and flexibility as long as I
was willing to dance to the tune "it" was playing. I'm glad I stuck it out
cause it's been a great and wild ride. And it's STILL not over. Every time
I turn around I'm learning something new, or finding another program thats
on the system that I didn't know was there that does something real cool.
--
Mark
/ * Sometimes it becomes necessary to rock the boat
* in order to get the rats up from below decks
* so they can be kicked over the side and drowned!
*
* REGISTERED LINUX USER # 182496
*/
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On Mon, 4 Dec 2000 Abraham Pinzur had this to say!
>
> Mark -
>
> Admittedly, I don't know entirely what I'm doing yet. And more importantly,
> the platform itself is appreciably more robust than anything I've ever seen
> from MS. I'm not griping about the platform.
>
> Actually, I'm not griping about the applications, either. I salute all those
> whose efforts have made my experience thus far so effortless. My point is
> merely that there's more work to be done. A truly robust application will be
> able to handle any input (even 0 bees) gracefully.
>
> Is that not a fairly uncontroversial sentiment?
>
> - Av -
>
> --
> Av Pinzur / Crisp Graphics
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> http://www.crispgraphics.com/~newav
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Mark Weaver
> > Sent: Monday, 04 December, 2000 05:40
> > To: [newbie] Linux-Mandrake
> > Subject: RE: [newbie] gates gets Linux
> >
> >
> > Av...what was so well stated about that. All that proves is that he's able
> > to do embarrase himself in public and mutilate his Penguin. You know what
> > I do with users like that at work? I sit them down and compell them to
> > READ the user manual(s) for the apps that they're proving unable to get
> > along with so that they stop causing such unnecessary trouble!
> >
> > --
> > Mark
> >
> > / * Sometimes it becomes necessary to rock the boat
> > * in order to get the rats up from below decks
> > * so they can be kicked over the side and drowned!
> > *
> > * REGISTERED LINUX USER # 182496
> > */
> >
> > <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<*REPLY SEPERATOR*>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >
> > On Mon, 4 Dec 2000 Abraham Pinzur had this to say!
> >
> > >
> > > Well stated, Ed. I too appreciate the stable platform, but the apps are
> > > sometimes a different story. I installed Linux for the express
> > purpose of
> > > getting more experience on the nitty-gritty end of things... =)
> > >
> > > - Av -
> > >
> > > --
> > > Av Pinzur / Crisp Graphics
> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > http://www.crispgraphics.com/~newav
> > >
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of R. Edward McCain
> > > > Sent: Sunday, 03 December, 2000 22:27
> > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > Subject: Re: [newbie] gates gets Linux
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Sun, 03 Dec 2000, you wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > You are right, of course, Linux is a paradise for coders and
> > > > programmers,
> > > > > but beyond that truth is another, even bigger truth. That is
> > > > that Linux is
> > > > > incredibly stable and powerful as a home PC platform as well as a
> > > > > dependable business workstation platform
> > > >
> > > > Er, I've managed to crash the entire platform twice and wreak havoc on
> > > > numerous apps just by playing around in my account (NOT as root)
> > > >
> > > > Example:
> > > > kde control center
> > > > look and feel
> > > > screensaver
> > > > kswarm
> > > > setup
> > > > move the 'number of bees' slider to 0
> > > > this causes the application to 'crash'
> > > >
> > > > Others are less reproducable, but I can cause Kmail to crash by
> > > > grabbing a
> > > > email that I cc'ed to myself, replying to it and changing the
> > > > subject line
> > > > and body - or something like that. I was being silly and I
> > crashed kmail
> > > > twice before I got the hint.
> > > >
> > > > True, my account didn't terminate on those occasions, but
> > what's a stable
> > > > platform without stable applications?
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > >
> > > > Yours,
> > > >
> > > > R. Edward McCain
> > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > icq: 599146
> > > > Registered Linux User #196613
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
