On 30/04/2008, at 10:08 PM, Jason van Zyl wrote:

We really need to push this along if you're going to be busy with your day job and Evan with his insane bike ride for the next month :)


Why do we "really need to push this along" ? Graduation happens as a natural consequence of competent developers with a passion for working on NMaven getting involved and that just takes time. I think pushing it along unnaturally is categorically the wrong thing to do.

I only meant pushing along the things that allow others to contribute with less guidance. Obviously pushing graduation unnaturally is a bad idea.



My thought is that there is no real way "in" for someone just wanting to contribute

Though that would help that's certainly not true in the case of Evan and Zak who made their way through the code and started contributing. Certainly we can work on the roadmap, I agree it should be sorted a little better.

Right, it was just my opinion... I visited the site and thought "if I wanted to contribute, here could I get started?", and didn't find anything to guide me. Not everyone is like that, but I think every bit helps.

Graduation is really dependant on being able to gain users, and having a path to convert them to developers, IMO.

And this just takes time. The CXF project is a great example of building a project up the right way and it took about two years for it to get out of the incubator. It doesn't mean that people can't use it. I know that from Sonatype's perspective we have clients using NMaven and we're providing support for them with the code in the incubator and they are fine with that. Obviously they would like it out of the incubator but the community needs to grow naturally and there needs to be several people who have intrinsic knowledge about NMaven before it can leave the incubator.

Well said, I couldn't agree more :)

Cheers,
Brett

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