Being alone sounds great actually. Sounds peaceful. I do wish I was alone. How many insults/demanding/time wasting messages per day do you think you could handle before you start to push back a bit, I wonder? Maybe you're just a born doormat and you gladly do what anyone tells you (in which case, please leave now and do not return)
Believe me, I know well that it isn't possible to be both right and likeable. It's simply a matter of perception. We instinctively dislike that which appears to oppose the views to which we become attached. I checked the git history and didn't see your name anywhere, so I think we all have nothing to lose from your parting. So alone or surrounded by unhelpful, insulting people? Yes, alone sounds great. Please show the rest of the trolls the way to the door. Get off of twitter, man, and get your head straight. This isn't some insurance company representative who has to be nice to you no matter what you say. This is the guy who spent decades of his life making you gifts and giving them to you for free. And instead of gratitude, instead of silent neutrality even, you repay his kindness by piling onto him when you see him being abused. What a gentleman you must think you are, what a shining example of how to behave agreeably. Perhaps behaving in this manner will make you popular. But there's more to life than being popular, much more. I think you need to seriously reconsider just who it is being uncivilized here. On Wed, Jan 27, 2021, 11:42 AM Philipp Mueller <[email protected]> wrote: > Exactly. This was my sole point. Or to rephrase it more simple: If you > don't treat the other kids nicely, you end up playing alone. > On 27.01.21 19:57, Aaron Duerksen wrote: > > "Others may have some other way of rejecting demands without ruffling > feathers that I'm unaware of (although based on all the flame wars I've > read in the past, I doubt it)." > > I think that's it. And the flame wars are just the vocal few. Not > indicative of the entire climate. > > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* J. Liles > *Sent:* Wednesday, January 27, 2021 10:17AM > *To:* Non > *Subject:* Re: [non] Thank you for Non > > And to anyone who is confused by this shy-would-be-contributor's > statements: allow me to correct him. It isn't the case that I don't want > help with Non (as he phrased it, that I "don't want anyone touching my > software". The fact is that *I actually use this software and I need it to > work*, so of course I'm only interested in changes that *improve* it. > Perhaps this sounds obvious, but most of the changes that people propose, > as I attempted to illustrate in the Parable of the Free Software Developer > and the Imposing Stranger, do not represent improvements, but usually mere > fever dreams---just the very beginnings of ideas before any scrutiny or > good judgement has been applied to them. And these are almost never in the > form of patches, but rather demands that I *use my personal time to > implement foolish, unuseful things*. Other developers may not have the > discernment to recognize these things and waste their time implementing > nonsense. Others may have some other way of rejecting demands without > ruffling feathers that I'm unaware of (although based on all the flame wars > I've read in the past, I doubt it). > > So yes, anyone who has the courage to submit something will be treated > well, and if the thing submitted is good, it will be gratefully accepted. > But if it is not good, I cannot accept it (but perhaps it can be amended > and or resubmitted in another form). People who make demands or merely > hint that that might submit something in exchange for some kind of special > treatment shouldn't be surprised that nothing good comes from their acts of > deception. > > What a world we're living in that I have to explain this stuff to people... > > > On Wed, Jan 27, 2021 at 7:39 AM J. Liles <[email protected]> wrote: > >> And to anyone else who "was thinking about maybe sending a patch", either >> man up and send it or keep quiet about it. I've had enough of these hurtful >> lies. >> >> On Wed, Jan 27, 2021, 7:34 AM J. Liles <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Don't let the door but you on the way out, coward. >>> >>> On Wed, Jan 27, 2021, 6:28 AM Philipp Mueller < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Jeez, seriously? >>>> >>>> I did also thought a couple of times to contribute to your >>>> awesome Non software by digging into the code and sending a >>>> patch. Because I like your approach and design but I have to soft >>>> restart my laptop ever other week since either `non-timeline` or >>>> `non-mixer` did became a zombie process or because `non-timeline` >>>> did already bricked two sessions since the last updates. But >>>> because of that attitude of yours I abstained from it (although >>>> these things are sufficiently annoying for me to tackle them one >>>> day). This might be happening with other people too (and might >>>> cause the scarcity of patches sent you were complaining about). >>>> >>>> I think everyone did understood by now that you do not like other >>>> people to touch your stuff and your definition of "freedom" does >>>> differ from the one used by e.g. Filipe. But if you are using >>>> this mailing list for rants and personal attacks (I don't mind >>>> the sketches for your own version of "the fountainhead") I better >>>> just unsubscribe and maintain/fix my own fork of Non. But, >>>> instead, I would really prefer for all the nice audio projects on >>>> Linux to coexist and live in harmony. >>>> >>>> So, please be nice to each other. >>>> >>>> All the best, >>>> Phil >>>> >>>> On 27.01.21 02:13, J. Liles wrote: >>>> > I would just like to point out that shortly after I diplomatically >>>> > accepted this redundant and unnecessary PR (which had absolutely >>>> > nothing to do with the supposed justifications for the creation of >>>> the >>>> > impostor project, and in fact only served to mask a problem that >>>> > Filipe had himself created in his own Carla project, and so was, >>>> IMHO, >>>> > a pointless choice), Filipe announced a new release of that same >>>> > impostor project, continuing in the direction of creating >>>> > incompatibilities with the genuine NSM. Conspicuously absent from the >>>> > announcement was any kind of correction or apology for the slanderous >>>> > statements of the first announcement, and also absent was any mention >>>> > of the name being changed, or the true origins/authorship of NSM, or >>>> > any proposed efforts to amend the mistake and reconcile whatever >>>> > differences there may be with the code. >>>> > >>>> > And so yet again, it can be seen that Filipe Coelho says one thing >>>> > while he does another. >>>> > >>>> > I was very hopeful that his comments were sincere (even though that >>>> > did not seem at all consistent with his behavior), but I think it's >>>> > perfectly clear now that they were not. >>>> > >>>> > His intention has been from the start to create an incompatible >>>> > version of NSM, trick everyone into using it through deceptive naming >>>> > and slander, and then shut me, the author and prime user of NSM, out >>>> > in the cold, so that I can't even use the program I invented, >>>> > designed, implemented, and offered to the world for free out of pure >>>> > goodwill. >>>> > >>>> > On that note, I've reverted Filipe's redundant PR, which he clearly >>>> > only submitted as another manipulative stunt. His name is a stain on >>>> > that which it touches. >>>> > >>>> > I think Linux Audio has jumped the shark at this point. They ran out >>>> > of proprietary software to clone/copy, so they started >>>> cloning/copying >>>> > existing free-software projects (justifying themselves with >>>> slanderous >>>> > implications of not really being free-software). Think about the >>>> > consequences of this: If you ostracize those who do the inventing for >>>> > you, you're left with less invention. If you bite the hand that feeds >>>> > you, you're left with less sustenance. I know FIlipe isn't exactly >>>> > brilliant, but I certainly would have thought he was smart enough to >>>> > understand these simple facts. >>>> > >>>> > He has tried to turn my software into "spiteware", "jealousyware". >>>> > This is what we've come to. >>>> > >>>> > Let's reiterate Filipe's definition of "toxic": >>>> > >>>> > What Filipe et al consider "toxic": >>>> > >>>> > * Being right >>>> > * Being principled >>>> > * Having a backbone >>>> > * Having self-respect >>>> > * Giving freely >>>> > * Having standards >>>> > * Providing mentorship >>>> > * Inventiveness >>>> > * Providing contributions to other projects >>>> > * Being careful >>>> > * Being skillful >>>> > * Supporting diversity >>>> > >>>> > What Filipe et al consider "not toxic": >>>> > >>>> > * Lying >>>> > * Slandering >>>> > * Cloning/copying >>>> > * Not providing contributions to other projects >>>> > * Being wrong >>>> > * Being careless >>>> > * Being unskillful >>>> > * Suppressing diversity >>>> > >>>> > Not one of these fine fellows had the courage or the self-respect to >>>> > submit a single useful contribution to the project that they have >>>> > benefited greatly from (just this token one-liner stuff in an attempt >>>> > to manipulate the narrative by getting their cute little avatar to >>>> > show up on GitHub). Probably out of fear of having their half-baked >>>> > ideas scrutinized. >>>> > >>>> > Just think about that for a moment. Let it settle in. Now think about >>>> > what free-software really means, what it's really supposed to be >>>> > about. Now think about what a community really is. Now look back to >>>> > Filipe and his Community with a capital C. Looks like a caricature, >>>> > doesn't it? A deception. Well have fun with your Community; I'm happy >>>> > to be outside of it, where there's still some room to move around and >>>> > have an original thought or two. >>>> > >>>> > Given that Filipe is the self-appointed and apparently uncontested >>>> > god/king of Linux Audio, well let's just say the future is looking >>>> > pretty dim. I feel sorry for everyone who's name has been dragged >>>> > through the mud by association with him and his crew. Frankly, I >>>> think >>>> > it's pathetic. But I guess people without a creative bone in their >>>> > bodies have to find some way to occupy themselves. >>>> > >>>> > Maybe one day Filipe will learn to play an instrument or something >>>> and >>>> > he'll give up trying to gain fame by crudely copying the work of >>>> > better men. >>>> > >>>> > I somehow doubt it though. I'm looking forward to his next project, a >>>> > "fork" of the Linux kernel called Filipux (or perhaps Felicia). He'll >>>> > have the full-stack under his umbrella then, and we can all look >>>> > forward to a gray new future of nothing new or interesting ever >>>> > happening in Linux Audio. >>>> > >>>> > To everyone who stands by and lets Filipe and his gang get away with >>>> > this stuff: Enjoy your Filipe Coelho generic brand bland bloatware. >>>> > >>>> > Personally, I'm embarrassed to be associated with Linux Audio at this >>>> > point. Truly pathetic. >>>> > >>>> > >>>> >>>> >>>>
