I should probably stop instigating...  :)

On Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 1:41 PM, Gary Slinger <gary.slin...@gmail.com>wrote:

> Yeah, I have a different boss to what I used to have.  My old boss?  It
> would have been more along the lines of:
>
> You m*****-f****** idiot!  You're a c***-s***** spoiled w****s**ofab******
> a**g*****!  Your mother s*** the most useful part out of you with the
> afterbirth! You f****** donkey!  I wouldn't hire you to clean the c******
> monitors! Go f*** a f****** donut, carpetboy!
>
> Or something along those lines...
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 4:36 PM, Don Ely <don....@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Still pretty mild...  lol!
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 1:33 PM, Gary Slinger <gary.slin...@gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> Stuff I'd say with my boss standing there?
>>>
>>> OK.
>>>
>>> You're an idiot.  A petulant, spoiled, lazy, incompetent little waste of
>>> oxygen with absolutely no competence, ability, or demonstrated capability of
>>> facility in or for the field of IT.   You're an ignorant little ponce that
>>> openly abuses people that CAN do the job you profess to do.  You claim to be
>>> an "IT Manager"?  I wouldn't hire you as a "Junior trainee SysAdmin".
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 4:11 PM, John Aldrich <
>>> jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> This is an open list. I specifically restricted myself to "work
>>>> appropriate"
>>>> language. If it's something you wouldn't say with your boss standing
>>>> there,
>>>> then I don't put it on paper/email/whatever at work.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Damien Solodow [mailto:damien.solo...@harrison.edu]
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2011 3:43 PM
>>>> To: NT System Admin Issues
>>>> Subject: RE: Vipre console hangs server on reboot
>>>>
>>>> <ComicStoreGuy>
>>>> Worst flame ever...
>>>> </ComicStoreGuy>
>>>>
>>>> I realize that you likely feel that people are being harsh with you, but
>>>> consider this. This is a user community for sysadmins; and sysadmins are
>>>> generally expected to be at least mid-level IT people. The kind of
>>>> questions
>>>> and responses we have been seeing from you are what most of us would
>>>> expect
>>>> from a user (and honestly a pretty non-tech savvy one) rather than
>>>> someone
>>>> in our field of expertise.
>>>>
>>>> It would be like spending an evening at your favorite Irish bar and
>>>> having
>>>> some frat boy come in and start loudly asking for and extolling the
>>>> virtues
>>>> of PBR. :)
>>>>
>>>> DAMIEN SOLODOW
>>>> Systems Engineer
>>>> 317.447.6033 (office)
>>>> 317.447.6014 (fax)
>>>> HARRISON COLLEGE
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com]
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2011 3:34 PM
>>>> To: NT System Admin Issues
>>>> Subject: RE: Vipre console hangs server on reboot
>>>>
>>>> And some of you guys on here are just professional jerks!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> From: William Robbins [mailto:dangerw...@gmail.com]
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2011 2:04 PM
>>>> To: NT System Admin Issues
>>>> Subject: Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot
>>>>
>>>> Well "anything" covers a lot of ground Gary, and I don't think that's
>>>> fair.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  - WJR
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 12:50, Gary Slinger <gary.slin...@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> You prove your own point. He's not a 'professional' anything.
>>>> ________________________________________
>>>> From: William Robbins <dangerw...@gmail.com>
>>>> Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2011 12:36:44 -0500
>>>> To: NT System Admin Issues<ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com>
>>>> ReplyTo: "NT System Admin Issues" <
>>>> ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot
>>>>
>>>> I would submit that you should, as an "IT professional" have an idea of
>>>> costs because you may be asked by "management" to provide that
>>>> information
>>>> for budgetary planning...
>>>>
>>>> Or you could submit a blind post here and hope someone does your
>>>> research
>>>> for you...again.
>>>>
>>>>  - WJR
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 12:21, John Aldrich <
>>>> jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> Honestly, I have not looked at the cost of a new desktop system lately
>>>> as I
>>>> know that management is not going to approve the purchase of one.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> From: William Robbins [mailto:dangerw...@gmail.com]
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2011 11:46 AM
>>>> To: NT System Admin Issues
>>>> Subject: Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot
>>>>
>>>> What was supposed to be shocking exactly?
>>>>
>>>> That you have no idea about hardware costs, or that you think I wouldn't
>>>> have a spare $2500?
>>>>
>>>>  - WJR
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 08:33, John Aldrich <
>>>> jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> Actually, I have no idea what a new, fully-loaded 64-bit system will
>>>> cost. I
>>>> haven't actually priced one. I was just making up a number for shock
>>>> value.
>>>> :D
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> From: William Robbins [mailto:dangerw...@gmail.com]
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 5:34 PM
>>>> To: NT System Admin Issues
>>>> Subject: Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot Same here.  But we
>>>> don't
>>>> shop for Alienware PC's to do our "work."
>>>>
>>>>  - WJR
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 16:28, Don Ely <don....@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> $2500?!?!?!?!  Funny, my company didn't pay more than $1000 for my quad
>>>> core
>>>> with 8GB of RAM....
>>>> On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 1:17 PM, Stefan Jafs <stefan.j...@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> Yeah, I guess the carpet business is flat on the floor in this economy.
>>>> On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 4:08 PM, John Aldrich <
>>>> jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> Gee... you got an extra $2500+ or so for all new hardware and software?
>>>> I
>>>> mean, I'd love to have a nice new 64-bit Windows 7 machine with Office
>>>> 2010
>>>> and all that stuff...but unfortunately, I don't have that. I've got a
>>>> 3-year-old Optiplex running XP Pro 32-bit. And with the way the economy
>>>> is
>>>> going lately, I don't see me getting an upgraded desktop machine any
>>>> time
>>>> soon.
>>>>
>>>> From: William Robbins [mailto:dangerw...@gmail.com]
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 3:41 PM
>>>>
>>>> To: NT System Admin Issues
>>>> Subject: Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot Just a
>>>> thought...perhaps
>>>> you need a new workstation if those things you've listed tax it's
>>>> resources
>>>> to the point that you can't do your job appropriately.
>>>>
>>>> But then, given your posts regarding this "problem" today I doubt you'll
>>>> understand anything I have to say either.  But I feel bad for Jonathan
>>>> whose
>>>> head seems to be swelling.
>>>>
>>>> He's been walking around paraphrasing "Tombstone" of all things...
>>>>
>>>>  - WJR
>>>> On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 14:32, John Aldrich <
>>>> jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> I *AM* running multiple apps at once. Microsoft LookOut!...err...
>>>> Outlook is
>>>> a bit of a resource hog. My AS/400 terminal client is running now, I
>>>> have a
>>>> VNC session going, I have Chrome running multiple tabs... so, yeah... my
>>>> system isn't just sitting here doing nothing.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> From: kz2...@googlemail.com [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com]
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 2:12 PM
>>>> To: NT System Admin Issues
>>>> Subject: Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot This I don't
>>>> understand,
>>>> running of management tools on (sometimes
>>>> dedicated) servers. Why not go the whole hog and run your email and
>>>> internet
>>>> browsing on a server too? If you were using a thin client or a
>>>> drastically
>>>> underpowered PC, then this would make sense, but not if you have a
>>>> decent
>>>> workstation.
>>>>
>>>> I agree that running lots of consoles creates a headache due to startup
>>>> time
>>>> and occasionally on a resource basis, so what we try to do is integrate
>>>> as
>>>> much stuff as possible into OpsManager, so we don't need to stare at a
>>>> load
>>>> of consoles. Then I can only open consoles as I need to work on them.
>>>> But if
>>>> your PC can't handle running seven or eight applications including a few
>>>> management consoles, or if you worry because your machine uses lots of
>>>> its
>>>> memory (even though it is there to be used), then you have a few issues
>>>> that
>>>> need to be resolved.
>>>>
>>>> Just my 2 penneth worth, ymmv
>>>> Sent from my POS BlackBerry wireless device, which may wipe itself at
>>>> any
>>>> moment ________________________________________
>>>> From: Steve Ens <stevey...@gmail.com>
>>>> Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2011 13:04:20 -0500
>>>> To: NT System Admin Issues<ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com>
>>>> ReplyTo: "NT System Admin Issues" <
>>>> ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot Better on a
>>>> workstation
>>>> than on a server is all I can say.
>>>> On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 12:29 PM, John Aldrich
>>>> <jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com> wrote:
>>>> Well, yeah... but I don't choose to load down my workstation with a
>>>> whole
>>>> bunch of management consoles and associated crap. :D
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> From: Roger Wright [mailto:rhw...@gmail.com]
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 1:23 PM
>>>> To: NT System Admin Issues
>>>> Subject: Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot Agreed.  I can run the
>>>> VIPRE console on the server but choose to do it from my desktop machine
>>>> instead.  It's rarely open on the server.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Roger Wright
>>>> ___
>>>> Dr. Seuss is my favorite rapper!  Cat - Hat... sheer genius!
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 1:20 PM, Jonathan Link <jonathan.l...@gmail.com
>>>> >
>>>> wrote:
>>>> Why on earth have the console running all the time, then?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 1:14 PM, John Aldrich <
>>>> jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> Nope... it's not the Vipre server that's the problem, it's the console.
>>>> Guess I'll just have to live with manually shutting down the console if
>>>> I
>>>> want to reboot the server. It's not that big a deal now that I've
>>>> decided
>>>> not to automatically reboot the server weekly.
>>>>
>>>> From: Kim Longenbaugh [mailto:k...@colonialsavings.com]
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 12:59 PM
>>>> To: NT System Admin Issues
>>>> Subject: RE: Vipre console hangs server on reboot
>>>>
>>>> how about a "net stop <vipre services>".  I can't test right now, but
>>>> that
>>>> seems like it would stop the console too.  there's two key vipre
>>>> services,
>>>> by the way.  If you can "net stop", there's no reason to taskkill
>>>> ________________________________________
>>>> From: Andrew S. Baker [asbz...@gmail.com]
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 11:20 AM
>>>> To: NT System Admin Issues
>>>> Subject: Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot Well, if they (app
>>>> vendor)
>>>> offer no programmatic way to shut the console down, and they (app
>>>> vendor)
>>>> are suggesting that you kill the task, then your only other alternative
>>>> will
>>>> be an application that programmatically manages the dialog boxes.   This
>>>> approach will likely be complicated by the state of the server (e.g.
>>>> workstation locked).
>>>>
>>>> Process killing is rarely fraught with peril...
>>>> ASB
>>>> http://about.me/Andrew.S.Baker
>>>> Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market.
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 11:44 AM, John Aldrich
>>>> <jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com> wrote:
>>>> I suppose there's no real reason to reboot the server on a scheduled
>>>> basis.
>>>> THAT server has never had any real issues. As for not running the
>>>> Console
>>>> remotely, I really don't wish to install it on another machine as it's a
>>>> bit
>>>> of a resource hog. As far as taskkill, I just don't like killing off a
>>>> process "just because", and that's what that seems like to me.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 11:25 AM
>>>>
>>>> To: NT System Admin Issues
>>>> Subject: Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot
>>>>
>>>> A - Why are you rebooting the server on a scheduled basis?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> B - Why are you not running the Vipre console remotely?
>>>>
>>>> C - What's wrong with Taskkill (assuming you don't wish to address the
>>>> previous two issues)?
>>>> ASB
>>>> http://about.me/Andrew.S.Baker
>>>> Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market. On Tue, Jul
>>>> 26,
>>>> 2011 at 11:14 AM, John Aldrich <jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com> wrote:
>>>> I have to manually shut down Vipre Enterprise Console if I want the
>>>> server
>>>> to come up on a scheduled reboot, otherwise it hangs the server and I
>>>> have
>>>> to manually power-cycle the server to get it to work. I checked with
>>>> Sunbelt
>>>> support and they said there is no way to *programmatically* close the
>>>> console when I reboot the server (scheduled task, so it's
>>>> non-interactive.)
>>>> They suggested using Microsoft's TaskKill. Anyone got any better
>>>> suggestions? Server is Windows 2003R2 standard.
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