I have a three year old Honda... On Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 3:13 PM, John Aldrich <jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com>wrote:
> Jonathan: > As I just typed a few moments ago -- you want a brand new Ferrari, but you > know you can't afford the payments. Are you really going to go to the > trouble of configuring it just how you want and getting a price quote or > are > you going to settle for your 3-year-old Honda? Me? I'm settling for the > 3-year-old Honda, because at least I can afford that. > > > > From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] > Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2011 3:42 PM > To: NT System Admin Issues > Subject: Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot > > Sir, we are all extremely real. > If you prick me, do I not bleed? > > Look, you ask for advice. You get advice. You come up with all kinds of > reasons why said advice doesn't work for you. You are very unflexible when > it comes to taking advice. Or you aren't able to understand the advice > offered. Well, there's always a reason. With everything. And 9 times out > of 10 it's behavioral. Meaning you could do something a different way. > > Even if they say that there is no budget, you could do a lot of work to > calculate a budget based on certain assumptions. So, you've got a bunch of > 10 year old equipment. How much did you spend reparing it last year. How > much would new equipment for 1/3, 1/4 or 1/5 of it cost, and make a plan to > replace stuff. It may cost more, but you might be suprised. In any event, > it's obvious you haven't even made the effort. > > It is the lack of effor tthat is irksom to a great many on this list. > On Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 3:31 PM, John Aldrich < > jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com> > wrote: > The reason I have no idea what a new desktop would cost is that management > is NOT going to approve ANYTHING right now, so why even bother looking??? > Get real! > > > > From: William Robbins [mailto:dangerw...@gmail.com] > Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2011 1:38 PM > To: NT System Admin Issues > Subject: Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot > Well that bit didn't shock anyone....except maybe Jonathan who's now > wearing > cowboy boots and looking for a horse to ride. > - WJR > > On Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 12:20, John Aldrich <jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com> > wrote: > That I have no idea what a new, fully-configured 64-bit workstation with > Office, a ton of RAM and all the other assorted pieces of software that > would have to be rebought would cost. > > > From: William Robbins [mailto:dangerw...@gmail.com] > Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2011 11:46 AM > To: NT System Admin Issues > Subject: Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot > > What was supposed to be shocking exactly? > > That you have no idea about hardware costs, or that you think I wouldn't > have a spare $2500? > > - WJR > > On Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 08:33, John Aldrich <jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com> > wrote: > Actually, I have no idea what a new, fully-loaded 64-bit system will cost. > I > haven't actually priced one. I was just making up a number for shock value. > :D > > > > From: William Robbins [mailto:dangerw...@gmail.com] > Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 5:34 PM > To: NT System Admin Issues > Subject: Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot > Same here. But we don't shop for Alienware PC's to do our "work." > > - WJR > > On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 16:28, Don Ely <don....@gmail.com> wrote: > $2500?!?!?!?! Funny, my company didn't pay more than $1000 for my quad > core > with 8GB of RAM.... > On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 1:17 PM, Stefan Jafs <stefan.j...@gmail.com> > wrote: > Yeah, I guess the carpet business is flat on the floor in this economy. > On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 4:08 PM, John Aldrich < > jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com> > wrote: > Gee... you got an extra $2500+ or so for all new hardware and software? I > mean, I'd love to have a nice new 64-bit Windows 7 machine with Office 2010 > and all that stuff...but unfortunately, I don't have that. I've got a > 3-year-old Optiplex running XP Pro 32-bit. And with the way the economy is > going lately, I don't see me getting an upgraded desktop machine any time > soon. > > From: William Robbins [mailto:dangerw...@gmail.com] > Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 3:41 PM > > To: NT System Admin Issues > Subject: Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot > Just a thought...perhaps you need a new workstation if those things you've > listed tax it's resources to the point that you can't do your job > appropriately. > > But then, given your posts regarding this "problem" today I doubt you'll > understand anything I have to say either. But I feel bad for Jonathan > whose > head seems to be swelling. > > He's been walking around paraphrasing "Tombstone" of all things... > > - WJR > On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 14:32, John Aldrich <jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com> > wrote: > I *AM* running multiple apps at once. Microsoft LookOut!...err... Outlook > is > a bit of a resource hog. My AS/400 terminal client is running now, I have a > VNC session going, I have Chrome running multiple tabs... so, yeah... my > system isn't just sitting here doing nothing. > > > > From: kz2...@googlemail.com [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com] > Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 2:12 PM > To: NT System Admin Issues > Subject: Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot > This I don't understand, running of management tools on (sometimes > dedicated) servers. Why not go the whole hog and run your email and > internet > browsing on a server too? If you were using a thin client or a drastically > underpowered PC, then this would make sense, but not if you have a decent > workstation. > > I agree that running lots of consoles creates a headache due to startup > time > and occasionally on a resource basis, so what we try to do is integrate as > much stuff as possible into OpsManager, so we don't need to stare at a load > of consoles. Then I can only open consoles as I need to work on them. But > if > your PC can't handle running seven or eight applications including a few > management consoles, or if you worry because your machine uses lots of its > memory (even though it is there to be used), then you have a few issues > that > need to be resolved. > > Just my 2 penneth worth, ymmv > Sent from my POS BlackBerry wireless device, which may wipe itself at any > moment > ________________________________________ > From: Steve Ens <stevey...@gmail.com> > Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2011 13:04:20 -0500 > To: NT System Admin Issues<ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com> > ReplyTo: "NT System Admin Issues" <ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com> > Subject: Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot > Better on a workstation than on a server is all I can say. > On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 12:29 PM, John Aldrich > <jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com> wrote: > Well, yeah... but I don't choose to load down my workstation with a whole > bunch of management consoles and associated crap. :D > > > From: Roger Wright [mailto:rhw...@gmail.com] > Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 1:23 PM > To: NT System Admin Issues > Subject: Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot > Agreed. I can run the VIPRE console on the server but choose to do it from > my desktop machine instead. It's rarely open on the server. > > > Roger Wright > ___ > Dr. Seuss is my favorite rapper! Cat - Hat... sheer genius! > > On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 1:20 PM, Jonathan Link <jonathan.l...@gmail.com> > wrote: > Why on earth have the console running all the time, then? > > > > On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 1:14 PM, John Aldrich < > jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com> > wrote: > Nope... it's not the Vipre server that's the problem, it's the console. > Guess I'll just have to live with manually shutting down the console if I > want to reboot the server. It's not that big a deal now that I've decided > not to automatically reboot the server weekly. > > From: Kim Longenbaugh [mailto:k...@colonialsavings.com] > Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 12:59 PM > To: NT System Admin Issues > Subject: RE: Vipre console hangs server on reboot > > how about a "net stop <vipre services>". I can't test right now, but that > seems like it would stop the console too. there's two key vipre services, > by the way. If you can "net stop", there's no reason to taskkill > ________________________________________ > From: Andrew S. Baker [asbz...@gmail.com] > Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 11:20 AM > To: NT System Admin Issues > Subject: Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot > Well, if they (app vendor) offer no programmatic way to shut the console > down, and they (app vendor) are suggesting that you kill the task, then > your > only other alternative will be an application that programmatically manages > the dialog boxes. This approach will likely be complicated by the state > of > the server (e.g. workstation locked). > > Process killing is rarely fraught with peril... > ASB > http://about.me/Andrew.S.Baker > Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market… > > On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 11:44 AM, John Aldrich > <jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com> wrote: > I suppose there’s no real reason to reboot the server on a scheduled basis… > THAT server has never had any real issues… As for not running the Console > remotely, I really don’t wish to install it on another machine as it’s a > bit > of a resource hog. As far as taskkill, I just don’t like killing off a > process “just because”, and that’s what that seems like to me. > > > > From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] > Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 11:25 AM > > To: NT System Admin Issues > Subject: Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot > > A - Why are you rebooting the server on a scheduled basis? > > > B - Why are you not running the Vipre console remotely? > > C - What's wrong with Taskkill (assuming you don't wish to address the > previous two issues)? > ASB > http://about.me/Andrew.S.Baker > Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market… > On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 11:14 AM, John Aldrich > <jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com> wrote: > I have to manually shut down Vipre Enterprise Console if I want the server > to come up on a scheduled reboot, otherwise it hangs the server and I have > to manually power-cycle the server to get it to work. I checked with > Sunbelt > support and they said there is no way to *programmatically* close the > console when I reboot the server (scheduled task, so it's non-interactive.) > They suggested using Microsoft's TaskKill. Anyone got any better > suggestions? 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