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On Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 4:17 PM, Steve Ens <stevey...@gmail.com> wrote: > I have a three year old Honda... > > On Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 3:13 PM, John Aldrich < > jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com> wrote: > >> Jonathan: >> As I just typed a few moments ago -- you want a brand new Ferrari, but you >> know you can't afford the payments. Are you really going to go to the >> trouble of configuring it just how you want and getting a price quote or >> are >> you going to settle for your 3-year-old Honda? Me? I'm settling for the >> 3-year-old Honda, because at least I can afford that. >> >> >> >> >> From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] >> Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2011 3:42 PM >> >> To: NT System Admin Issues >> Subject: Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot >> >> Sir, we are all extremely real. >> If you prick me, do I not bleed? >> >> Look, you ask for advice. You get advice. You come up with all kinds of >> reasons why said advice doesn't work for you. You are very unflexible >> when >> it comes to taking advice. Or you aren't able to understand the advice >> offered. Well, there's always a reason. With everything. And 9 times >> out >> of 10 it's behavioral. Meaning you could do something a different way. >> >> Even if they say that there is no budget, you could do a lot of work to >> calculate a budget based on certain assumptions. So, you've got a bunch >> of >> 10 year old equipment. How much did you spend reparing it last year. How >> much would new equipment for 1/3, 1/4 or 1/5 of it cost, and make a plan >> to >> replace stuff. It may cost more, but you might be suprised. In any >> event, >> it's obvious you haven't even made the effort. >> >> It is the lack of effor tthat is irksom to a great many on this list. >> On Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 3:31 PM, John Aldrich < >> jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com> >> wrote: >> The reason I have no idea what a new desktop would cost is that management >> is NOT going to approve ANYTHING right now, so why even bother looking??? >> Get real! >> >> >> >> From: William Robbins [mailto:dangerw...@gmail.com] >> Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2011 1:38 PM >> >> To: NT System Admin Issues >> Subject: Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot >> Well that bit didn't shock anyone....except maybe Jonathan who's now >> wearing >> cowboy boots and looking for a horse to ride. >> - WJR >> >> On Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 12:20, John Aldrich <jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com >> > >> wrote: >> That I have no idea what a new, fully-configured 64-bit workstation with >> Office, a ton of RAM and all the other assorted pieces of software that >> would have to be rebought would cost. >> >> >> From: William Robbins [mailto:dangerw...@gmail.com] >> Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2011 11:46 AM >> >> To: NT System Admin Issues >> Subject: Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot >> >> What was supposed to be shocking exactly? >> >> That you have no idea about hardware costs, or that you think I wouldn't >> have a spare $2500? >> >> - WJR >> >> On Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 08:33, John Aldrich <jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com >> > >> wrote: >> Actually, I have no idea what a new, fully-loaded 64-bit system will cost. >> I >> haven't actually priced one. I was just making up a number for shock >> value. >> :D >> >> >> >> From: William Robbins [mailto:dangerw...@gmail.com] >> Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 5:34 PM >> >> To: NT System Admin Issues >> Subject: Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot >> Same here. But we don't shop for Alienware PC's to do our "work." >> >> - WJR >> >> On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 16:28, Don Ely <don....@gmail.com> wrote: >> $2500?!?!?!?! Funny, my company didn't pay more than $1000 for my quad >> core >> with 8GB of RAM.... >> On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 1:17 PM, Stefan Jafs <stefan.j...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> Yeah, I guess the carpet business is flat on the floor in this economy. >> On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 4:08 PM, John Aldrich < >> jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com> >> wrote: >> Gee... you got an extra $2500+ or so for all new hardware and software? I >> mean, I'd love to have a nice new 64-bit Windows 7 machine with Office >> 2010 >> and all that stuff...but unfortunately, I don't have that. I've got a >> 3-year-old Optiplex running XP Pro 32-bit. And with the way the economy is >> going lately, I don't see me getting an upgraded desktop machine any time >> soon. >> >> From: William Robbins [mailto:dangerw...@gmail.com] >> Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 3:41 PM >> >> To: NT System Admin Issues >> Subject: Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot >> Just a thought...perhaps you need a new workstation if those things you've >> listed tax it's resources to the point that you can't do your job >> appropriately. >> >> But then, given your posts regarding this "problem" today I doubt you'll >> understand anything I have to say either. But I feel bad for Jonathan >> whose >> head seems to be swelling. >> >> He's been walking around paraphrasing "Tombstone" of all things... >> >> - WJR >> On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 14:32, John Aldrich <jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com >> > >> wrote: >> I *AM* running multiple apps at once. Microsoft LookOut!...err... Outlook >> is >> a bit of a resource hog. My AS/400 terminal client is running now, I have >> a >> VNC session going, I have Chrome running multiple tabs... so, yeah... my >> system isn't just sitting here doing nothing. >> >> >> >> From: kz2...@googlemail.com [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com] >> Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 2:12 PM >> To: NT System Admin Issues >> Subject: Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot >> This I don't understand, running of management tools on (sometimes >> dedicated) servers. Why not go the whole hog and run your email and >> internet >> browsing on a server too? If you were using a thin client or a drastically >> underpowered PC, then this would make sense, but not if you have a decent >> workstation. >> >> I agree that running lots of consoles creates a headache due to startup >> time >> and occasionally on a resource basis, so what we try to do is integrate as >> much stuff as possible into OpsManager, so we don't need to stare at a >> load >> of consoles. Then I can only open consoles as I need to work on them. But >> if >> your PC can't handle running seven or eight applications including a few >> management consoles, or if you worry because your machine uses lots of its >> memory (even though it is there to be used), then you have a few issues >> that >> need to be resolved. >> >> Just my 2 penneth worth, ymmv >> Sent from my POS BlackBerry wireless device, which may wipe itself at any >> moment >> ________________________________________ >> From: Steve Ens <stevey...@gmail.com> >> Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2011 13:04:20 -0500 >> To: NT System Admin Issues<ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com> >> ReplyTo: "NT System Admin Issues" <ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com> >> Subject: Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot >> Better on a workstation than on a server is all I can say. >> On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 12:29 PM, John Aldrich >> <jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com> wrote: >> Well, yeah... but I don't choose to load down my workstation with a whole >> bunch of management consoles and associated crap. :D >> >> >> From: Roger Wright [mailto:rhw...@gmail.com] >> Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 1:23 PM >> To: NT System Admin Issues >> Subject: Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot >> Agreed. I can run the VIPRE console on the server but choose to do it >> from >> my desktop machine instead. It's rarely open on the server. >> >> >> Roger Wright >> ___ >> Dr. Seuss is my favorite rapper! Cat - Hat... sheer genius! >> >> On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 1:20 PM, Jonathan Link <jonathan.l...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> Why on earth have the console running all the time, then? >> >> >> >> On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 1:14 PM, John Aldrich < >> jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com> >> wrote: >> Nope... it's not the Vipre server that's the problem, it's the console. >> Guess I'll just have to live with manually shutting down the console if I >> want to reboot the server. It's not that big a deal now that I've decided >> not to automatically reboot the server weekly. >> >> From: Kim Longenbaugh [mailto:k...@colonialsavings.com] >> Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 12:59 PM >> To: NT System Admin Issues >> Subject: RE: Vipre console hangs server on reboot >> >> how about a "net stop <vipre services>". I can't test right now, but that >> seems like it would stop the console too. there's two key vipre services, >> by the way. If you can "net stop", there's no reason to taskkill >> ________________________________________ >> From: Andrew S. Baker [asbz...@gmail.com] >> Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 11:20 AM >> To: NT System Admin Issues >> Subject: Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot >> Well, if they (app vendor) offer no programmatic way to shut the console >> down, and they (app vendor) are suggesting that you kill the task, then >> your >> only other alternative will be an application that programmatically >> manages >> the dialog boxes. This approach will likely be complicated by the state >> of >> the server (e.g. workstation locked). >> >> Process killing is rarely fraught with peril... >> ASB >> http://about.me/Andrew.S.Baker >> Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market… >> >> On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 11:44 AM, John Aldrich >> <jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com> wrote: >> I suppose there’s no real reason to reboot the server on a scheduled >> basis… >> THAT server has never had any real issues… As for not running the Console >> remotely, I really don’t wish to install it on another machine as it’s a >> bit >> of a resource hog. As far as taskkill, I just don’t like killing off a >> process “just because”, and that’s what that seems like to me. >> >> >> >> From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] >> Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 11:25 AM >> >> To: NT System Admin Issues >> Subject: Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot >> >> A - Why are you rebooting the server on a scheduled basis? >> >> >> B - Why are you not running the Vipre console remotely? >> >> C - What's wrong with Taskkill (assuming you don't wish to address the >> previous two issues)? >> ASB >> http://about.me/Andrew.S.Baker >> Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market… >> On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 11:14 AM, John Aldrich >> <jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com> wrote: >> I have to manually shut down Vipre Enterprise Console if I want the server >> to come up on a scheduled reboot, otherwise it hangs the server and I have >> to manually power-cycle the server to get it to work. I checked with >> Sunbelt >> support and they said there is no way to *programmatically* close the >> console when I reboot the server (scheduled task, so it's >> non-interactive.) >> They suggested using Microsoft's TaskKill. Anyone got any better >> suggestions? 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